[Music] Morrissey's Bonfire Of Teenagers

[Herr Tubthumper]

I don't see that he's calling grieving people morons. Grieving people don't generally sing and sway.

In the immediate aftermath of the incident this song is about, friends and families gathered, held hands and sang Don’t Look Back in Anger. I took his lyric to be a literal reference to this…and he referred to them as morons.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

It's so sad what he's become.

He had a purple patch in the mid-2000s with two brilliant albums, You Are The Quarry, and Ringleader of the Tormentors, but they were a long time ago, and now he seems more interested in courting controversy - and trashing his legacy as witty, articulate, champion of society's misfits and outcasts - by spouting ultra-Right-wing political views and flirting with Fascism.

Musically and politically, he's disappeared up his own ****.

You are The Quarry was a superb album (and come back). Even the b-sides of the various singles were as strong as the album itself…in some cases even better.

 

[CorgiRegisteredFriend]

Interesting that you can still buy tickets for his Brighton Centre concert in October.
Back in the day this would have sold out in an hour!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The subject matter is one thing, singing that forgiveness makes you a moron is another. The guy generally doesn't like people, but he particularly doesn't like people that were not born in the uk but live here, he would love to make Britain less welcoming of immigrants, and telling people it is right to be angry and unforgiving of the Arena bombing is part of his agenda to promote hatred of immigrants.
What are people supposed to do with their anger given the bomber died and his brother is locked up?

Like his parents?

I seem to be missing a massive elephant in the room in this thread. After I stopped listening to him in 88, did he do a Kilroy or something?

Still, as the OP implies, this thread has triggered a deluge of interest, so hopefully someone will explain what I'm supposed to feel about this at some point.

Edit: I took a quick peek at his Wikipedia entry. Apparently he supports Tommy Robinson, and his various meandering diatribes against immigration are supported by none other than Nick Cave (in defence of free speech).

So....I suppose I am supposed to interpret this thread as an 'Oooh! Look what the old gammon Morrissey has done now!'.

Ok....in 1987 I may have cared. Oh well, never mind.

 

[Wozza]

So....I suppose I am supposed to interpret this thread as an 'Oooh! Look what the old gammon Morrissey has done now!'.

Ok....in 1987 I may have cared. Oh well, never mind.

Well, you've been back to the thread several times.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Well, you've been back to the thread several times.

Yes. It's quite intriguing. But I don't really understand why.

 

[Wozza]

Yes. It's quite intriguing. But I don't really understand why.

Welcome to NSC!

 

[babyshambles]

Alain Whyte ?

Yeah Alain Whyte, back in the band since Boz stepped aside. Sorry, spelt Alain wrong.

 

[Return of the Rev]

Love it

 

[carlzeiss]

Interesting that you can still buy tickets for his Brighton Centre concert in October.
Back in the day this would have sold out in an hour!

With tickets staring at £62 + booking , no thanks . Was no more than a fiver last time I visited

 

[Insel affe]

Yeah Alain Whyte, back in the band since Boz stepped aside. Sorry, spelt Alain wrong.

hopefully seeing Boz at the weeekend in Spain, i know Gary Day quite well aswell.

 

[KZNSeagull]

hopefully seeing Boz at the weeekend in Spain, i know Gary Day quite well aswell.

Has Boz left permanently do you know?

 

[jackalbion]

Morrissey has a long record of producing songs about challenging issues, the Smiths and Morrissey have produced songs about suicide, death generally, and the moors murders, an issue Mancunian Morrissey has a particular point of reference with in his life.

I suspect if multi millionaire cockney socialist Billy Bragg had produced a song about the Manchester Arena bombing, from his 3.5m gaff in South Dorset, no doubt his particular take on the event would be congratulated as being brave.

Not everyone wants to buy the world a coke following terrorist atrocities, well done to Morrissey for recognising there is a constituency of people that won’t forgive that terrorist, like they wouldn’t forgive Brady or Hindley.

Fine if you don't want to forgive the terrorist, but calling mourners, morons, is what most people take issue with. He's turned into a bitter old man who has long been left behind by the rest of music, where as Johnny Marr has been embraced. If he wants to be carry on having a love in with fascist organisations, then people will always take umbridge with him.

 

[babyshambles]

hopefully seeing Boz at the weeekend in Spain, i know Gary Day quite well aswell.

Bumped into Boz once in the Isle of Man after a Moz gig, he came up to me in a pub after I’d put the New York Dolls on the jukebox. Top man. Hope he’s doing well.

Moz’s band with Boz, Alain, Spencer and Gary were so good.

Really looking forward to the Palladium, Brixton and Brighton gigs, be great to see Alain again.

 

[cunning fergus]

Fine if you don't want to forgive the terrorist, but calling mourners, morons, is what most people take issue with. He's turned into a bitter old man who has long been left behind by the rest of music, where as Johnny Marr has been embraced. If he wants to be carry on having a love in with fascist organisations, then people will always take umbridge with him.

You’re entitled to that view of course, for the record though I broadly agree with Morrissey’s sentiments about the reactions of many to that terrorist outrage.

Lighting candles, holding vigils and singing Kum By Ya in the aftermath of any terror attack is de rigueur these days. I’m sure it makes some people feel better, but it’s ultimately meaningless sentimentality and its foolish (or moronic) to think it will do anything to prevent future attacks.

Well intended fools are really the problem…….bravo Morrissey.

 

[cunning fergus]

The subject matter is one thing, singing that forgiveness makes you a moron is another. The guy generally doesn't like people, but he particularly doesn't like people that were not born in the uk but live here, he would love to make Britain less welcoming of immigrants, and telling people it is right to be angry and unforgiving of the Arena bombing is part of his agenda to promote hatred of immigrants.
What are people supposed to do with their anger given the bomber died and his brother is locked up?

If the vigils held in the aftermath were to forgive the bomber then Morrissey is bang on frankly, I don’t think they were, I think they were held as remembrance for the victims.

That point accepted, there would have been plenty of people in this country furious at how another Islamic terror attack in this country had ruined hundreds if not thousands of people’s lives.

Singing don’t look back in anger isn’t going to change anything, we will have another one in due course, and out will come the candles etc.

By the way, the family are back in Libya, including one son who refused to take part in the enquiry……….nice people.

 

[Insel affe]

Has Boz left permanently do you know?

Last I heard yes, he has saved enough to put his kids through college and paid off the house.
one of his daughters goes to Brighton Uni

He is concentrating with his wife Lynn on his rockabilly stuff, and playing with the Polecats this weekend at the Psychobilly weekender, hopefully if I test negative tonight and tomorrow I am off on Thursday.

 

[keaton]

Lighting candles, holding vigils and singing Kum By Ya in the aftermath of any terror attack is de rigueur these days. I’m sure it makes some people feel better, but it’s ultimately meaningless sentimentality and its foolish (or moronic) to think it will do anything to prevent future attacks.

Neither will keeping angry about such things or writing shit songs.

In fact islamaphobia and the whole division thing will probably cause more attacks but that's not what's important to Moz and possibly others

 

[jackalbion]

You’re entitled to that view of course, for the record though I broadly agree with Morrissey’s sentiments about the reactions of many to that terrorist outrage.

Lighting candles, holding vigils and singing Kum By Ya in the aftermath of any terror attack is de rigueur these days. I’m sure it makes some people feel better, but it’s ultimately meaningless sentimentality and its foolish (or moronic) to think it will do anything to prevent future attacks.

Well intended fools are really the problem…….bravo Morrissey.

People in the street aren’t there to stop it happening again, that’s the government’s job, take aim at them not the “morons” who happen to be grieving families. If people follow most of Morrissey’s rhetoric of pandering to the far right, then even more people from the Islamic community will be alienated and tempted towards terrorism. Morrissey himself has contributed nothing to helping Islamic communities, but instead joins far right organisations, who contribute just as much to terrorism, he’s a washed up loser angry at the world for leaving him behind.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

he’s a washed up loser angry at the world for leaving him behind.

…and he’s not the only one.