[Music] Morrissey's Bonfire Of Teenagers

[el punal]

He’s just doing what he’s always done ie going against current fashion. If it was Bonfire of the Old People then the NSC oldies would love it.

Only after 6.00pm and make sure that you have a hose close by.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Talentless and hugely overrated.

Mostly clouded by nostalgic teenage memories amongst the old. He did write some brilliant lyrics but his singing voice does put one in mind of a moany old cow, stung up and waiting to be slaughtered.

 

[babyshambles]

Listened to it a few times now. His band is so much better with Alan in it. Great song, love it.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Not very well-written lyrics. Haven't listened to Mozza since 1988. Without Marr writing the tunes I found his solo work uninteresting, even with Vini Reilly on guitar. I loved the Smiths (albeit 'meat is murder' is crass).

Is he important enough for a thread of his own just because he's written some rather ambiguous lyrics (apologies, but if there is a meaning or a message in the scribble then it passed me by)? Happy to be corrected.

 

[Barnet Seagull]

I agree in principle but these lyrics are quite basic and I would say designed to bait as opposed to stimulate any intellectual debate; there is no interesting angle to think about. In this sense how does it differ from Piers Morgan?

My comment was more generally about Morrisey rather than targeted particularly at this song. To your point, I'd say the lyrics here are more likely designed to appease and provide comfort than bait. It's ok to feel angry about losing your child in such a cruel and destructive way, entirely justifiable. Scars like that never fully heal and it's more a critique of those telling people what to think and feel.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

My comment was more generally about Morrisey rather than targeted particularly at this song. To your point, I'd say the lyrics here are more likely designed to appease and provide comfort than bait. It's ok to feel angry about losing your child in such a cruel and destructive way, entirely justifiable. Scars like that never fully heal and it's more a critique of those telling people what to think and feel.

I agree “more generally” but in this case I struggle to see how calling grieving people morons is designed to provide comfort. I’ll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Barnet Seagull]

I agree “more generally” but in this case I struggle to see how calling grieving people morons is designed to provide comfort. I’ll have to agree to disagree.

I don't see that he's calling grieving people morons. Grieving people don't generally sing and sway.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Am I seeing a little dig at Oasis chucked in there?

Not directly, no.

The vigils in Manchester in the days after the attack, adopted DLBIA as a kind of singalong anthem. Song by a local band, everyone knows the words, so kind of makes sense.

What Morrissey seems to be saying is that the lyrics were a poor choice of sentiment (if indeed the crowds really considered the lyrics at all), and that he damn well WILL 'look back in anger', thanks very much.

Oasis had no involvement in the vigils, at all, so no, there's no dig at them.

 

[keaton]

I think it's very noble of him to support the Manchester youth by getting to random 12 year olds from the city to write his lyrics

 

[maltaseagull]

A man so far up his own arse his eyeballs are tiny nuggets of sweetcorn.

Brilliant!

 

[Insel affe]

Listened to it a few times now. His band is so much better with Alan in it. Great song, love it.

Alain Whyte ?

 

[cunning fergus]

I used to be a big fan, but this is tasteless, he’s wrote a song about a terrible event and turned it around to his condemnation of forgiveness.

Morrissey what have you done, disappointed in you.

Morrissey has a long record of producing songs about challenging issues, the Smiths and Morrissey have produced songs about suicide, death generally, and the moors murders, an issue Mancunian Morrissey has a particular point of reference with in his life.

I suspect if multi millionaire cockney socialist Billy Bragg had produced a song about the Manchester Arena bombing, from his 3.5m gaff in South Dorset, no doubt his particular take on the event would be congratulated as being brave.

Not everyone wants to buy the world a coke following terrorist atrocities, well done to Morrissey for recognising there is a constituency of people that won’t forgive that terrorist, like they wouldn’t forgive Brady or Hindley.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Not directly, no.

The vigils in Manchester in the days after the attack, adopted DLBIA as a kind of singalong anthem. Song by a local band, everyone knows the words, so kind of makes sense.

What Morrissey seems to be saying is that the lyrics were a poor choice of sentiment (if indeed the crowds really considered the lyrics at all), and that he damn well WILL 'look back in anger', thanks very much.

Oasis had no involvement in the vigils, at all, so no, there's no dig at them.

I read it as a dig at the people swaying along to Ariane Grande and Coldplay performing DLBIA at the One Love Manchester gig

 

[Insel affe]

Morrissey has a long record of producing songs about challenging issues, the Smiths and Morrissey have produced songs about suicide, death generally, and the moors murders, an issue Mancunian Morrissey has a particular point of reference with in his life.

I suspect if multi millionaire cockney socialist Billy Bragg had produced a song about the Manchester Arena bombing, from his 3.5m gaff in South Dorset, no doubt his particular take on the event would be congratulated as being brave.

Not everyone wants to buy the world a coke following terrorist atrocities, well done to Morrissey for recognising there is a constituency of people that won’t forgive that terrorist, like they wouldn’t forgive Brady or Hindley.

Fair point, to be honest and probably that is initially what made me fall in love with his music, maybe I was a little hasty to judge.
Still have tickets to see him in Brighton later in the year, so i am not that upset by this song.

 

[Peteinblack]

It's so sad what he's become.

He had a purple patch in the mid-2000s with two brilliant albums, You Are The Quarry, and Ringleader of the Tormentors, but they were a long time ago, and now he seems more interested in courting controversy - and trashing his legacy as witty, articulate, champion of society's misfits and outcasts - by spouting ultra-Right-wing political views and flirting with Fascism.

Musically and politically, he's disappeared up his own ****.

 

[keaton]

Morrissey has a long record of producing songs about challenging issues, the Smiths and Morrissey have produced songs about suicide, death generally, and the moors murders, an issue Mancunian Morrissey has a particular point of reference with in his life.

I suspect if multi millionaire cockney socialist Billy Bragg had produced a song about the Manchester Arena bombing, from his 3.5m gaff in South Dorset, no doubt his particular take on the event would be congratulated as being brave.

Not everyone wants to buy the world a coke following terrorist atrocities, well done to Morrissey for recognising there is a constituency of people that won’t forgive that terrorist, like they wouldn’t forgive Brady or Hindley.

I don't think Billy Bragg would write a song like that as he doesn't hate brown people as much as Morrissey does.

Why is a millionaire from Dorset writing the song worse than a millionaire from Los Angeles?

 

[Baldseagull]

Morrissey has a long record of producing songs about challenging issues, the Smiths and Morrissey have produced songs about suicide, death generally, and the moors murders, an issue Mancunian Morrissey has a particular point of reference with in his life.

I suspect if multi millionaire cockney socialist Billy Bragg had produced a song about the Manchester Arena bombing, from his 3.5m gaff in South Dorset, no doubt his particular take on the event would be congratulated as being brave.

Not everyone wants to buy the world a coke following terrorist atrocities, well done to Morrissey for recognising there is a constituency of people that won’t forgive that terrorist, like they wouldn’t forgive Brady or Hindley.

The subject matter is one thing, singing that forgiveness makes you a moron is another. The guy generally doesn't like people, but he particularly doesn't like people that were not born in the uk but live here, he would love to make Britain less welcoming of immigrants, and telling people it is right to be angry and unforgiving of the Arena bombing is part of his agenda to promote hatred of immigrants.
What are people supposed to do with their anger given the bomber died and his brother is locked up?

 

[BBassic]

The subject matter is one thing, singing that forgiveness makes you a moron is another. The guy generally doesn't like people, but he particularly doesn't like people that were not born in the uk but live here, he would love to make Britain less welcoming of immigrants, and telling people it is right to be angry and unforgiving of the Arena bombing is part of his agenda to promote hatred of immigrants.
What are people supposed to do with their anger given the bomber died and his brother is locked up?

I think this is the bit I take umbrage with.

Those vigils and the singing of DLBIA were a way for people to deal with their emotions following an awful tragedy. Morrissey is saying to those people "you're doing it wrong". Some people don't like to hold on to anger. And that's absolutely fine.

 

[Wozza]

Is he important enough for a thread of his own just because he's written some rather ambiguous lyrics

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[Wozza]

The subject matter is one thing, singing that forgiveness makes you a moron is another. The guy generally doesn't like people, but he particularly doesn't like people that were not born in the uk but live here, he would love to make Britain less welcoming of immigrants, and telling people it is right to be angry and unforgiving of the Arena bombing is part of his agenda to promote hatred of immigrants.
What are people supposed to do with their anger given the bomber died and his brother is locked up?

He's just angry the kids didn't sing 'There is a light that never goes out'...