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cheshunt seagull
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- Jul 5, 2003
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McShane seemed to be involved in an exchange with Kuipers shortly before the 2nd goal, did anybody else see this?
After the 2nd goal, from what I could see, Kuipers turned on Lynch and Butters and McShane immediately turned on Kuipers. Whether it was Kuiper's pass or the fact that he immediately looked to blame Lynch that led to the others having a go at him I couldn't say.
For what it is worth, I thought that neither Carpenter, Kuipers or Lynch were blameless. Carpenter put unnecessary pressure on Kuipers who played Lynch into trouble but Lynch's touch could have been a lot better.
After the 2nd goal, from what I could see, Kuipers turned on Lynch and Butters and McShane immediately turned on Kuipers. Whether it was Kuiper's pass or the fact that he immediately looked to blame Lynch that led to the others having a go at him I couldn't say.
For what it is worth, I thought that neither Carpenter, Kuipers or Lynch were blameless. Carpenter put unnecessary pressure on Kuipers who played Lynch into trouble but Lynch's touch could have been a lot better.
Basil Fawlty
Don't Mention The War
I think Henderson will be in goal for Burnley, FDM shouldn't of had a go at Lynch.
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BensGrandad
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It wasa suicidal ball by Kuipers as Lynch had a man on him and had it been Ashley Cole playing there it would probably have ended up the same. No blame can be attached to Lynch at all it is all down to a bad pass out by Kuipers.
larus
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Bring in Hendo please.
As for young Joel, I've seen him play twice, and think he's done well.
IF it was partly his mistake, don't have a go at him FFS. God, he's a youth teamer, and he's been drafted in because our other options haven't done too well. He's played 3 / 4 games now, and made possibly one f***-up.
He's played against Southampton, Leeds, Shef Utd, all teams with very experienced players.
IMO, he's doing fine. Well done Joel.
As for young Joel, I've seen him play twice, and think he's done well.
IF it was partly his mistake, don't have a go at him FFS. God, he's a youth teamer, and he's been drafted in because our other options haven't done too well. He's played 3 / 4 games now, and made possibly one f***-up.
He's played against Southampton, Leeds, Shef Utd, all teams with very experienced players.
IMO, he's doing fine. Well done Joel.
eastlondonseagull
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Gaffer said:Poor FDM. It was a bad throw though. I immediately thought that would lead to FDM being dropped. It's tough out there.
And yet he still pulled off some great saves, not least that incredible dive to his right near the end.
Was such a shame that throw he sent over to Lynchy. Kipper had all the time in the world, but rushed Lynch into making a mistake. Tough, as you say.
hitony
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H block said:
without reading any more posts below this one, i feel its a definate, that henderson will be in for the next game, regardless of how Mcghee fells about kuipers attitude, (IMHO)
I think the problem was the ball need to be distributed to Lynch's feet so he could knock it inside if need be but Kuipers gave it to him up in the air so he had to try and control it first before he could do anything with it. I personally think Kuipers was at fault.
Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo
I believe in Joe Hendry
- Oct 4, 2003
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The whole issue seems to be over the having a go at a young player, maybe Mich should have bit his lip and spoken quietly to Joel after the game. I am sure Joel knows that he needed to be quicker in that instance and no doubt feels bad that he contributed to letting in a goal. Some players need a bollocking when they make a mistake, some need encourgement to come through. The players clearly think that Joel needs encourgement rather than a bollocking at this stage of his career and thats why they turned back on Mich. No doubt this has all been forgotton now by the players and they are ready to put it behind them and get on with the next game.
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Schrödinger's Toad
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- Jan 21, 2004
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It was a dodgy pass from Kuipers - although Lynch also could have done better, he never should have had to receive the ball with a winger bearing down on him and few, if any, options on.
Sorry I was talking out of my arse. Just watched it again. I actually blame Carpenter, Kuipers and the rest of that defence on that side. Carpenter because he put Kuipers under unnecessary pressure, Kuipers because he had more time to control it and hoff it or play a better ball and the the centre halfs, McShane for telling Kuipers to go wide and both McShane and Butters for not giving Lynch more warning (although he could of controlled it better). At the end of the day the only crimes that were committed were us attempting to play to much football at the back and Kuipers for having a go at Lynch and not advising him.
London Irish
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Les Biehn said:
I agree there was a lot of blame to go round.
But I have to say Lynch did look very nervous on the ball all game. Even in the first half I was inwardly groaning when someone decided to pass to him, because his pass completion rate after that was so poor.
Kuipers has to accept some blame for putting a nervous young player under pressure, but a few of the other defenders and midfielders did at times in the game too!
Young players are going to make mistakes though, it's a fact of life, and I guess I am pleased that this and other threads are going easy on Lynch rather than repeating the experience with Harding.
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This all boils down to one fact - we need a left back. Lynch will be a very good centre back one day. Reid is a right footed central midfielder. And Mayo, er....
Sergi Gotsmanov
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Whoever was to blame the one common theme here is distribution, and that I believe is Hendersons strong point.