More than 85% of public tips on benefit 'frauds' are false

[Diego Napier]

you might want to look in to that issue further, as its the product of people who dont understand how economics and accountancy work. things like supporting the steel mills or tax relief to support new business parks in areas of low employment would be eliminated if you stopped those grants and subsidies. very odd of the left to criticise subsidy when its a central tenet of their politics elsewhere. the tax evasion is things like companies not paying tax on investments, the black economy and figures pulled out the air. its fantasy stuff, while that 1.6bn is real that firstly p's people off, and secondly means its not going to the deserving cases.

I wonder how many individuals we'll see posting on this thread who defraud the exchequer through their skills in tax evasion?

Oh, sorry, of course, silly me, I meant tax avoidance and it's probably just fantasy stuff.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Naive enough to believe that proven cases of benefit fraud equate to the real numbers of fraud taking place, typical socialist.

Naive enough to follow the nasty rhetoric, gullible Tory.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I wonder how many individuals we'll see posting on this thread who defraud the exchequer through their skills in tax evasion?

Oh, sorry, of course, silly me, I meant tax avoidance and it's probably just fantasy stuff.

New fencing? Kitchen painted? Payment cash in hand?

 

[BigGully]

I wonder how many individuals we'll see posting on this thread who defraud the exchequer through their skills in tax evasion?

Oh, sorry, of course, silly me, I meant tax avoidance and it's probably just fantasy stuff.

Can you honestly not see the difference between the employed, self employed, entrepreneurs, that work and strive and usually employ but perhaps try and find ways of minimising their tax liability or even do a job on a Saturday 'cash in hand' against those that do not work and get housed, fed, educated, get access to healthcare and so it goes on, yours is a skewed view.

Although I care less about the rich, I do care for those of us that work hard for a reasonable income whilst only just achieving a comparable lifestyle to those that dont.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I wonder how much tax Google have not paid since this thread started?

 

[BigGully]

I'm entitled to £0, have taken £0 from the state and over the last 15 years have paid in the order of £1m in income tax, so what's your point?

Good I am on your side, I asked who are these people in poverty traps you talk of, lack of opportunity, lack of imaginative mentoring perhaps but not poverty.

 

[Megazone]

I'm entitled to £0, have taken £0 from the state and over the last 15 years have paid in the order of £1m in income tax, so what's your point?

Humility always shines through when people are trying to prove they're not on benefits.

PS You're doing great.

 

[BigGully]

Humility always shines through when people are trying to prove they're not on benefits.

PS You're doing great.

Why do you on the left always wish to dismiss those that undoubtedly work hard and add to the wealth to the country whilst nearly celebrating those that do not ..........

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Humility always shines through when people are trying to prove they're not on benefits.

PS You're doing great.

Plus his post provided a little opportunity to indirectly brag about their income. Top work.

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Humility always shines through when people are trying to prove they're not on benefits.

PS You're doing great.

And so are the 200 people I employ

 

[The Albion Roar]

Why do you on the left always wish to dismiss those that undoubtedly work hard and add to the wealth to the country whilst nearly celebrating those that do not ..........

Those who add wealth to the country will always be celebrated.

But that's not what's being discussed here. We're talking about 'hard-working' people who take from the exchequer; those who don't pay their fair share. And that figure is being calculated collectively as £120bn.

Being 'on the left' or 'in the right' is irrelevant here.

 

[Megazone]

Why do you on the left always wish to dismiss those that undoubtedly work hard and add to the wealth to the country whilst nearly celebrating those that do not ..........

80% of benefit claimants work full time.

 

[Hotchilidog]

The governament narrative over benefit fraud is that it is rampant and widespread and good, honest hardworking tax payers are being ripped off by cheats. This is clearly not true. The fraud is in fact minimal and hardly a great drain on public finances, yet this is being used as an excuse to deliberately reduce the benefits of those who do need them, it is quite frankly a disgrace.

The pension pot makes up the bulk of welfare payments, followed by in work benefits (which subsidise large corporations who can increase margins at the expense of their workforce's wages). All the while an underresourced HMRC is still failing to collect all the money it is due, tax loopholes still allow those with the most to legally avoid paying tax, multinationals secure sweetheart deals to CHOOSE how much they contribute and on top of that is the outright criminal evasion of taxes.

That people still be believe that this country is being ripped off and brought to its knees by benefit cheats only goes to show what great propagandists the tories and are and how gullible large parts of the electorate are.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

And so are the 200 people I employ

Excellent work. You're on a roll this morning.

 

[The Birdman]

I visited by Sister at the weekend in Leicester and I got into deep discussion with my Brother-inlaw about pepole we know who are ripping the state off and we agreed that it's become endemic and we have been blaming the overseas workers but it's our own pepole and this is taking from those that really need it. Then we talked about the black economy. Actual it all of us that lose out because the state provides our Hospitals and School police defence etc etc .

 

[wellquickwoody]

I wonder how much tax Google have not paid since this thread started?

Labour got how much out of Google? Genuine question.

 

[studio150]

And that figure is being calculated collectively as £120bn.

.

But its not that figure, given that it includes tax avoidance which is perfectly legal

 

[Del Fenner]

Don't report her, DROWN HER.

Surely any fule kno a witch won't drown.

 

[beorhthelm]

I wonder how much tax Google have not paid since this thread started?

probably quite a bit, to their Ireland office. the wonder of free movement of capital.

 

[Diego Napier]

Can you honestly not see the difference between the employed, self employed, entrepreneurs, that work and strive and usually employ but perhaps try and find ways of minimising their tax liability or even do a job on a Saturday 'cash in hand' against those that do not work and get housed, fed, educated, get access to healthcare and so it goes on, yours is a skewed view.

Although I care less about the rich, I do care for those of us that work hard for a reasonable income whilst only just achieving a comparable lifestyle to those that dont.

Or those who earn a small fortune working as contractors in the finance/banking, building or insurance industries and successfully evade paying tax or all those "small businesses" who aren't quite so altruistic or virtuous as you risibly suggest?

Talk about a load of people in glass houses only to ready to throw a stone at any other group of tax evaders rather than their own.