[Politics] More than 40,000 have crossed the channel this year.

[Wokeworrier]

You have been around this board long enough (with various different user names) to know that this post is utter utter nonsense.

The posters on this thread have been discussing this issue for years and years. If your memory is fading you can look back through the archives and find out for yourself.

Once you have done that go and look into how and when this issue became politicised. Then figure out what and who it benefitted and how its weaponsation was used.

Or alternatively, keep posting your ill informed claptrap safe in the knowledge you don't need to learn anything about this topic. Let's face it you have frequented enough of these threads and still managed to learn nothing.

For 'years and years' you mean, after 2016 when a certain referendum result occurred. Perhaps I am wrong, feel free to link to the threads about how ashamed and disgusted people were with our 'evil' government when migrants were dying in large numbers in the back of lorries when Labour were in power.

Claiming one side has weaponised this issue is obviously no defence for others to follow suit.

There is nothing to be learned from frequenting the numerous echo chamber political threads on NSC, mainly inhabited by the same radicalised individuals who clearly have no desire or capacity to change their views on anything.

 

[Jim in the West]

So we set up an asylum processing centre in Albania (or in France) for Albanians who want to claim political asylum in the UK. Then what? Every application gets turned down.

Will that stop them from crossing the Channel? Of course not, because the very reason they cross the Channel is because they would be turned down if they applied by legal means. Making it easier to apply would make no difference.

Please explain to me the so-called legal means of seeking asylum. And while you’re at it, please also explain why circa 80% of asylum applications made by these apparently “illegal immigrants” is actually approved.

 

[Guinness Boy]

One thing I know for certain is that the people on this thread that have politicised this issue to score cheap political points about Brexit/Tories were nowhere to be seen when migrants were dying in the channel when we were in the EU and will once again, purely coincidentally, melt away when/if Labour get back in ...

To "know" that you must have posted here before Brexit 'completed'.

Go back to your JCFG account. It's not banned. Either you're ashamed of it or you're trolling.

 

[pastafarian]

In France, asylum seekers are allowed to work whilst waiting for claims to process. We should do the same here.

Asylum seekers can apply for permission to work here for jobs on the shortage occupation list after 12 months if still waiting for a decision and the delay is not their fault.
France has similar rules, (but after six months and if the delay is not their fault) , permission to work is temporary and there are labour market foreign worker tests to ensure the work is subject to recruitment difficulties from the domestic work force.

 

[Wokeworrier]

Please explain to me the so-called legal means of seeking asylum. And while you’re at it, please also explain why circa 80% of asylum applications made by these apparently “illegal immigrants” is actually approved.

There are safe and legal means for some refugees to reach the Uk.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9630/

Some possible reasons why the asylum applications might be so high.

What is the standard of proof required in asylum claims?

www.migrationwatchuk.org

 

[Lever]

For 'years and years' you mean, after 2016 when a certain referendum result occurred. Perhaps I am wrong, feel free to link to the threads about how ashamed and disgusted people were with our 'evil' government when migrants were dying in large numbers in the back of lorries when Labour were in power.

Claiming one side has weaponised this issue is obviously no defence for others to follow suit.

There is nothing to be learned from frequenting the numerous echo chamber political threads on NSC, mainly inhabited by the same radicalised individuals who clearly have no desire or capacity to change their views on anything.

 

[Wokeworrier]

To "know" that you must have posted here before Brexit 'completed'.

Go back to your JCFG account. It's not banned. Either you're ashamed of it or you're trolling.

Amazing how you always turn up on these threads like a bad penny.

Speaking of trolling, I remember a time when continually banging on about multi accounts was considered trolling ...

 

[Lever]

Do you have a desire or capacity to change your views on anything? Genuine question……

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Speaking of trolling, I remember a time when continually banging on about multi accounts was considered trolling ...

What account were you using at the time?

 

[nicko31]

To "know" that you must have posted here before Brexit 'completed'.

Go back to your JCFG account. It's not banned. Either you're ashamed of it or you're trolling.

For a while the disguise was working. But when we start hearing terms like "radicalised", the mask has well and truly dropped. He needs to come in from the cold.

 

[BadFish]

For 'years and years' you mean, after 2016 when a certain referendum result occurred. Perhaps I am wrong, feel free to link to the threads about how ashamed and disgusted people were with our 'evil' government when migrants were dying in large numbers in the back of lorries when Labour were in power.

Claiming one side has weaponised this issue is obviously no defence for others to follow suit.

There is nothing to be learned from frequenting the numerous echo chamber political threads on NSC, mainly inhabited by the same radicalised individuals who clearly have no desire or capacity to change their views on anything.

Very much pre 2016. I won't post links old mate, you can find them if you want to be informed. I am done with trying to persuade radicalised individuals who clearly have no desire or capacity to change their views on anything.

Or you can just use your memory, I am sure you were on them in one guise or other.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Please explain to me the so-called legal means of seeking asylum. And while you’re at it, please also explain why circa 80% of asylum applications made by these apparently “illegal immigrants” is actually approved.

The figure for approvals is actually about 3%, not 80%. Approx 3% are approved, approx 2% are rejected, and the remaining 95% are in limbo with no apparent desire to give them a decision. (And even those figures are only initial decisions. Presumably there are appeals and further decisions to follow.)

New migration stats reveal most Channel crossers win asylum when their cases are considered | IPPR

The Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) is an independent charity working towards a fairer, greener, and more prosperous society.

www.ippr.org

 

[Randy McNob]

Presumably all the crew in the fishing boat that rescued the survivors will be thrown in jail by Priti Patel / Braverman?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The figure for approvals is actually about 3%, not 80%. Approx 3% are approved, approx 2% are rejected, and the remaining 95% are in limbo with no apparent desire to give them a decision. (And even those figures are only initial decisions. Presumably there are appeals and further decisions to follow.)

New migration stats reveal most Channel crossers win asylum when their cases are considered | IPPR

The Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) is an independent charity working towards a fairer, greener, and more prosperous society.

www.ippr.org

They are stuck in the system because the Home Office isn’t processing the claims. Read your own article.
It suits the Tory Party to have lots of asylum seekers in limbo, because they can use it as propaganda.

 

[Randy McNob]

If you are fleeing a country in fear of your life then why risk it again to get here on a dodgy boat? Safety and refuge can be found in other European countries that they pass through to get to Calais.

You mention NHS staff many nurses are using food banks yet these apparent migrants seeking asylum are pulling £5-10k out to cross the channel to get to UK shores.

Is that Jacob Rees mogg school of thought where people are stupid or lack common sense so these peasants, far beneath him, drown or are burned to death is somehow justifiable? Maybe put JRM in a dinghy to his Cayman Island tax haven and see how far his common sense gets him. Britain is a far worse place with upper class tax avoiders than 40,000 refugees. That's the real problem in this country

 

[Jim in the West]

The figure for approvals is actually about 3%, not 80%. Approx 3% are approved, approx 2% are rejected, and the remaining 95% are in limbo with no apparent desire to give them a decision. (And even those figures are only initial decisions. Presumably there are appeals and further decisions to follow.)

New migration stats reveal most Channel crossers win asylum when their cases are considered | IPPR

The Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) is an independent charity working towards a fairer, greener, and more prosperous society.

www.ippr.org

The article states that, of those cases considered, 86% were approved. Obviously there are a huge number in limbo - but, as others have commented, this is a deliberate ploy by the government. The only way they are going to win the next election is by continuing to stoke hatred and rage - always aimed at the less fortunate in our society. It's the Farage method - demonise immigrants and hope that no one notices what a crap job you are doing.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Obviously there are a huge number in limbo - but, as others have commented, this is a deliberate ploy by the government.

See also strikes. The government do not want these disputes resolved.

The only way they are going to win the next election is by continuing to stoke hatred and rage - always aimed at the less fortunate in our society. It's the Farage method - demonise immigrants and hope that no one notices what a crap job you are doing.

Nail on the head.

 

[Randy McNob]

See also strikes. The government do not want these disputes resolved.


Nail on the head.

Yep, deliberate divide and rule, Sunak is another demagogue like Johnson, you have to keep the country at war with eachother for Brexit to make sense, if the country falls apart at the seams in the process so be it. It's all very well but this government are so inept and ideolgically driven they have and will continue to haemorrhage the country's wealth. Our children and their children will pay the price for decades to come. That's why we need a general election now to end the madness and remove this complete shitshow of a government

 

[Lever]

The article states that, of those cases considered, 86% were approved. Obviously there are a huge number in limbo - but, as others have commented, this is a deliberate ploy by the government. The only way they are going to win the next election is by continuing to stoke hatred and rage - always aimed at the less fortunate in our society. It's the Farage method - demonise immigrants and hope that no one notices what a crap job you are doing.

Good points, thanks...

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

This government do not care sufficiently about our country or our people. That is to day - they do not show sufficient care. It is maybe they do not know how to make life better for us - but I am increasingly coming to the conclusion they do not sufficiently care.