[Football] Montserrat

[Triggaaar]

That's how it has always worked. Prevalence (of guns for hire hired) is related only to how discerning or needy the nation sees itself and, ditto the individual.

*cough* zola budd *cough*.

But *cough* she did have a British grandparent *cough*.

 

[Juan Albion]

But *cough* she did have a British grandparent *cough*.

An incredibly quick one, too, given how fast that citizenship turned up. Coincidentally, wasn't it just before an Olympic games or something?

 

[Juan Albion]

El Salvador have just gone 2-0 up over Jamaica with less then 10 minutes remaining. This is bad news for the Montserrat boys as it pushes them down to 9th. They have to finish at least tenth to meet the big boys in the Gold Cup.

There are 3 games tomorrow that will decide their fate. If Canada beats or draws with French Guiana at home AND Barbados win or draw at home against Nicaragua, Montserrat will qualify. If either of those things doesn't happen (but not both), they will still qualify if Dominican Republic and Bermuda draw.

I think I've got that right.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Not over until the fat lady sings

 

[AZ Gull]

I'm pretty sure Shoreham recently had a goalkeeper who played for Montserrat. Can't remember his name

Nick Taylor (although his name is also given on Wikipedia as Nicholas Taylor-Greaves and Nicholas Taylor Mills-Greaves, and on Transfermarkt as Nicholas Greaves). He was the goalkeeper for Shoreham when our U-18s played them in a friendly in July 2015. Just for good measure, Shoreham had 4 other Montserratian internationals in the side that day! Jermaine Bell, Calvin Petrie, Terrell Miller and Clifford Newby-Harris.

 

[BNthree]

Yes I know, but how does that equate to getting a place through instagram?

Sounds like you need to read the article in the first post then..

 

[BNthree]

Nick Taylor (although his name is also given on Wikipedia as Nicholas Taylor-Greaves and Nicholas Taylor Mills-Greaves, and on Transfermarkt as Nicholas Greaves). He was the goalkeeper for Shoreham when our U-18s played them in a friendly in July 2015. Just for good measure, Shoreham had 4 other Montserratian internationals in the side that day! Jermaine Bell, Calvin Petrie, Terrell Miller and Clifford Newby-Harris.

Surely that is the record for the number of players that went on to be Internationals that Shoreham U18s have ever fielded in 1 match!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

But *cough* she did have a British grandparent *cough*.

Indeed. Thatcher chaged the law in 1981 so that people with absolutely nothing to do with the UK, but had a British granny would be eligible to be actual citizens (category of passport holder and rights obtained was and still is very complicated, nevertheless). This wasn't specifically done for Budd (though Thatcher absolutely loved her, and her cause was promoted avidly by, guess what? Yes, the Daily Fail) but was done to allow the descendents of white folk who tamed the savages of our Empire the right to vote conservative in British general elections. Even so, Budd's citizenship was rushed through at unprecedented speed, specifically so she could complete under our flag, a process beyond what was appropriate, even under Thatchers new laws. My reading of 'lex sanguini' as it is now is that citizenship can be acquired by virtue of parentage, but grandparentage no longer applies (although it certainly does apply with respect to football 'nationality' as we saw with the West Ham player - albeit if another country such as Eire wants to confer citizenship on grounds of national interest that's nowt to do with us - he was always British so I gather).

And the UK has always had the flexibility to grant citizenship when it suits the national interest. I would certainly be in favour of making Bruno British so he can play for England in Legends football tournaments.

Anyway, all of this is preferable to how it was in the 80s, when everybody knew you can't actually be English and black.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Not over until the fat lady sings

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I was toying with posting similar, myself, but got distracted by Zola Budd

 

[Triggaaar]

An incredibly quick one, too, given how fast that citizenship turned up. Coincidentally, wasn't it just before an Olympic games or something?

Did she have a British grandparent or not? I had assumed there were rules, like needing a grandparent from the country or something, but nowadays it seems like there are no rules at all.

 

[Triggaaar]

Indeed. Thatcher chaged the law in 1981 so that people with absolutely nothing to do with the UK, but had a British granny would be eligible to be actual citizens (category of passport holder and rights obtained was and still is very complicated, nevertheless). This wasn't specifically done for Budd (though Thatcher absolutely loved her, and her cause was promoted avidly by, guess what? Yes, the Daily Fail) but was done to allow the descendents of white folk who tamed the savages of our Empire the right to vote conservative in British general elections. Even so, Budd's citizenship was rushed through at unprecedented speed, specifically so she could complete under our flag, a process beyond what was appropriate, even under Thatchers new laws.

So she got her passport faster than would usually happen. Doesn't seem like much of a big deal to me. But now countries can just bid for the best athletes? That makes a mockery of countries competing in sport.

 

[Triggaaar]

Sounds like you need to read the article in the first post then..

Ah I see. He didn't get his place through Instagram at all, he just found out about it all there.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

So she got her passport faster than would usually happen. Doesn't seem like much of a big deal to me. But now countries can just bid for the best athletes? That makes a mockery of countries competing in sport.

I can recall a Brazilian playing football for Croatia, Maoris playing rugby for England, a Kenyan running for (I forget - Turkey?). In these cases we have competitors not good enough to play for their birth country getting citizenship somewhere with less competition for places - a win for the competitor and a win for the nation. It may well be about money, but it is also about the chance to compete. The Brits, Germans and Americans (and others) don't do it as a rule (no need, allowing us to be snooty about other nations). I disagree with you about Budd though - that was a Mail-sponsorded tory-supported bit of 'doing our bit for the whites versus the wogs' that stank to high heaven. Thatcher eh? At least she didn't invite murdering dictators like Pinochet into the country.




Oh.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Anyone else own up to thinking Montserrat was somewhere seriously boring in Europe, probably near Switzerland or that really boring seaside part of northern France?

 

[AZ Gull]

Surely that is the record for the number of players that went on to be Internationals that Shoreham U18s have ever fielded in 1 match!

It was the Shoreham first team, not the U-18s (it was Albion's U-18 side they were playing). And the five "men" were already internationals.

 

[Triggaaar]

I disagree with you about Budd though - that was a Mail-sponsorded tory-supported bit of 'doing our bit for the whites versus the wogs' that stank to high heaven.

But you're talking politics in general, I'm just talking about what country and athlete should be able to represent.

 

[Rodney Thomas]

Anyone else own up to thinking Montserrat was somewhere seriously boring in Europe, probably near Switzerland or that really boring seaside part of northern France?

It’s a lovely mountain not far from me in Cataluña