[Albion] Moises Caicedo - New contract signed until summer 2027 with 1 year extra option.

[Weststander]

It’s possible but would be entirely against the grain of their model under FSG. They made a big show about “selling to buy” in the summer, and that the new recruitment model was about a mixture of ready made and prospects. Whilst they did spunk a load of cash on Nunez, they’ve put guys like Elliott and Bajetic straight into the first XI.

None of their players really are saleable assets of high value due to age and demand. Their only transfer “income” is going to be from wages being saved on expensive aging players like Firmino, Milner, Henderson, Oxlade-Chamberlain and a few others. The kind of players never to command a fee again in their careers.

In fact, the only players they have worth big money are the only players they’re practically guaranteed not to sell - Alisson, Trent Alexander Arnold, Diaz if he kicks on.

It would be a sea change for their transfer policy - possible but they need a hell of a lot more than just two players to rebuild their squad. £200m on two of them doesn’t leave much for the other five/six they have on the way out.

Imho.

Two centre midfielders and cover for Konate/VVD should see Liverpool set fair for 2023/24. By recent accounts, FSG had planned for summer 2023 upgrades, as a stack of contracts come to an end.

The days of major player sales income are over for Liverpool for now, €781 banked in last 10 years, these things go in cycles (if you’re lucky). Benteke, Sakho, Ibe, Solanke, Brewster, Countinho …. idiotic buyers paying over the odds.

 

[oldboyroy]

I can't help but think the club have changed their ideals since RDZ turned up, you got David Weir saying he wants us to be a destination club Paul Barber taking the piss out of Chelsea telling them they will never get our manager and little signs like Caicedo getting a new contract with no doubt a new pay rise. New contract for Mac new etc.I think there is surprise in how good we actually are. I guess the summer transfer window will tell all.

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I think there is something in this. Roberto has come in and changed the whole mindset of the playing side which, has not only increased confidence but the actual quality is beginning to show. No disrespect to Graham Potter but having Roberto demand more, giving players the confidence to show just how good they can be and still improve. We've seen the difference in March, Caicedo Ally Mac albeit the latter 2 just carrying on where Potter left off but, having the belief that Europe is very much achievable. To turn down 70 million in January was astonishing for us considering the profit we'd of made.
I just feel Roberto has taken coaching to another level and the players know they are working with a (dare I say it) world class coach or certainly 1 in the making rather than a good coach in Potter?
As Roberto alluded to, he spoke with the lad before and no doubtless after the transfer window giving a "you'll get a big move when the time is right but right now, we can get European football. Stick with us and learn, you'll improve and the world will be your oyster lad!"

 

[Sheebo]

Really am struggling to understand some people’s views on this - just seen a post liked by a few that says it’s MORE likely he’s off in the summer now he’s signed a new deal - sorry but utter nonsense! Everyone is a bit scared and acceptant of losing players on here now.

“It wasn’t a hard decision. If it had been a hard decision, I wouldn’t have signed. I’m happy with everything at the club and that’s why I signed. I’m focused here on Brighton, the club which opened the doors. I am very happy to be here and really pleased [with the new contract].

“I don’t even think about the speculation. I am focused on Brighton and doing things well here. I am very happy here with my colleagues, with all the club and I will keep giving 100% for this club.”

He will be here until Summer 2024 minimum for me.

Admittedly there’s always a price and time for every player as we know, but I just can’t see it.

I risk egg on my face and it’s not often I stick my neck out with predictions like some posters as you end up looking silly a lot but seriously - he’s more likely to go now he’s signed a new contract, commuted to the club for 5 years (technically) and just risen his fee we’d get by £20m or so? Really!?!?!

 

[Justice]

That is a Bold statement – in every sense!

I'd love it to be correct and it might well be the thinking within the hierachy. But if silly bids come in (such as Cucurella to Chelsea), I can't see the club saying no. It might not be the intention to sell now – and I know it's a cliché – but every player has their price. As always, I'll get excited about new players coming in during the summer window, regardless of anyone leaving or not...

£75m for Caciedo was in fact terrific profit and they turned it down. They probably could have squeezed £80m with add ons. There is no point hiring a very ambitious manager like RDZ and selling our best players from under him. The manager would soon be off with the players.

 

[oldboyroy]

Really am struggling to understand some people’s views on this - just seen a post liked by a few that says it’s MORE likely he’s off in the summer now he’s signed a new deal - sorry but utter nonsense! Everyone is a bit scared and acceptant of losing players on here now.

“It wasn’t a hard decision. If it had been a hard decision, I wouldn’t have signed. I’m happy with everything at the club and that’s why I signed. I’m focused here on Brighton, the club which opened the doors. I am very happy to be here and really pleased [with the new contract].

“I don’t even think about the speculation. I am focused on Brighton and doing things well here. I am very happy here with my colleagues, with all the club and I will keep giving 100% for this club.”

He will be here until Summer 2024 minimum for me.

Admittedly there’s always a price and time for every player as we know, but I just can’t see it.

I risk egg on my face and it’s not often I stick my neck out with predictions like some posters as you end up looking silly a lot but seriously - he’s more likely to go now he’s signed a new contract, commuted to the club for 5 years (technically) and just risen his fee we’d get by £20m or so? Really!?!?!

Agree

 

[Greg Bobkin]

£75m for Caciedo was in fact terrific profit and they turned it down. They probably could have squeezed £80m with add ons. There is no point hiring a very ambitious manager like RDZ and selling our best players from under him. The manager would soon be off with the players.

That's why I said a silly offer. I'm talking Chelsea Todd coming in with, say, 148 big ones. You really think TB and co would turn that down just to keep the manager happy?!

 

[dejavuatbtn]

This all day long. On Saturday, I said to the bloke in front that my MOM was Solly March, he raised his eyebrows and said 'What about Caicedo?' My reply was that it is simply unfair on the other players to include Caicedo as pretty much every week he is man of the match by a long chalk. Caicedo is a phenomenon!

The thing is, he is such a cheat. How can anyone compete with someone with eyes in the back of his head.

 

[jcdenton08]

Imho.

Two centre midfielders and cover for Konate/VVD should see Liverpool set fair for 2023/24. By recent accounts, FSG had planned for summer 2023 upgrades, as a stack of contracts come to an end.

The days of major player sales income are over for Liverpool for now, €781 banked in last 10 years, these things go in cycles (if you’re lucky). Benteke, Sakho, Ibe, Solanke, Brewster, Countinho …. idiotic buyers paying over the odds.

I hear you, I wasn’t looking at FFP, more what FSG are willing to spend. l based on previous outlay and their “plans”. If their plans are to spend, say £200m it would be IMO dangerous to spend that sum on two players when I feel they need more.

 

[gabrielnrg]

Just to add something I have not seen anywhere in this post: Independiente del Valle do own 20% of Caicedo's pass
(btw astonishing how in the sport world in the XXI century sportmen are "owned" by companies... It might not sound so terrible for top very well paid players, but still)

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Just to add something I have not seen anywhere in this post: Independiente del Valle do own 20% of Caicedo's pass
(btw astonishing how in the sport world in the XXI century sportmen are "owned" by companies... It might not sound so terrible for top very well paid players, but still)

They don’t own anything. They are entitled to 20% of any profit the club make on his sale. If we sold him for less than we paid then they’d get nothing.

And getting technical no club actually owns a player. What you are actually paying for in a transfer is the right to the player’s registration so they can play for you.

 

[oldboyroy]

That's why I said a silly offer. I'm talking Chelsea Todd coming in with, say, 148 big ones. You really think TB and co would turn that down just to keep the manager happy?!

No, he wouldn't and I would guess Roberto would be able to bring in 1 or 2 players to re strengthen.

 

[Icy Gull]

I think there is something in this. Roberto has come in and changed the whole mindset of the playing side which, has not only increased confidence but the actual quality is beginning to show. No disrespect to Graham Potter but having Roberto demand more, giving players the confidence to show just how good they can be and still improve. We've seen the difference in March, Caicedo Ally Mac albeit the latter 2 just carrying on where Potter left off but, having the belief that Europe is very much achievable. To turn down 70 million in January was astonishing for us considering the profit we'd of made.
I just feel Roberto has taken coaching to another level and the players know they are working with a (dare I say it) world class coach or certainly 1 in the making rather than a good coach in Potter?
As Roberto alluded to, he spoke with the lad before and no doubtless after the transfer window giving a "you'll get a big move when the time is right but right now, we can get European football. Stick with us and learn, you'll improve and the world will be your Lobster lad!"

And this time next year he’ll be a millionaire


Good post btw

 

[Guinness Boy]

Two months ago, RDZ said that every club in the Premier League except his had money to use in the transfer window.

The reason why Brighton is a club with fairly low wages and fairly low transfer spendings isn't because Tony Bloom have some sort of ideological issue with paying good money for good players, but because he and the club simply does not have the financial muscles to do it... as Paul Barber and others have said multiple times.

This financial reality doesn't change because Roberto De Zerbi allegedly "demands it". The only way this financial reality changes is through a change of owner or through qualifying for the Champions League.

If the latter can be done, the best players may stay longer. As long as it isn't the case, Brighton will be selling the biggest talents.

It is quite remarkable that people are looking at a club which has a somewhat sustainable model (which is another key word frequently mentioned by Tony & co) which has also brought good results for more than a decade... and believing the club will now "change ideals" : keeping the best players, or as it is also known; paying the same money as the top clubs and having Tony pay up upwards of £100m per year in losses since the club is no longer selling players and no signing new contracts with world class players apparently to keep them around for the rest of their careers.

My gut feeling is that the club, with or without Roberto De Zerbi, will keep doing what has done it very successful in recent years.

Of course we’re sustainable but the parameters of what that means shift. We’ve taken in circa £168 million in transfers since (and including) Ben White. We’ve increased our exposure in two key countries, one of whom’s fans spend money in the club shop like water. Tv deals keep getting bigger. There is more sustainable money.

We won’t spend like Chelsea of course and Chelsea are doing a great job of proving that money isn’t everything when it comes to results. However, we will undoubtedly need a stronger squad if we get to Europe and RDZ thinks we can. We can be in it next season. Not some airy fairy long term plan. Now. At last, some ambition.

As for that quote I wouldn’t hold much by it. RDZ is still learning English and sometimes you have to look beyond the phrase. We have never really bought players in January. TB doesn’t like that window for value. The odd player, sure, but most business is done in the summer

 

[Hugo Rune]

Well, my gut feeling is that there will be a lot of expenditure in the summer transfer window.

I agree. Similar spending to Potter’s first window.

However, I still think we’ll make a net profit on all transfer deals unlike the -£50m we were left with in Potter’s first summer.

Surely Mac and/or Caicedo will be gone. But we could see other departures including the likes of Connolly, Zeqiri, Undav and Lamptey along with a number of U21 players such as Richards who we just feel won’t be able to step up into our squad. We really could rack up £150m+ of sales very easily. I could then see us spending half of that on two or three left footed defenders, some central midfielders and a replacement for Undav or Welbeck if they leave. We might get another Trossard too. If March and Mitoma both get injured, how lethal will out attack be?

 

[schmunk]

No we couldn't all incentives have to be laid out in the contract, any payment outside of what is in the contract isn't allowed and would land the club in trouble. The only way to offer him more per week, change any loyalty or appearance bonuses etc would have been to offer him a new contract.

Indeed:

Football chairman defends buying burgers for teammates

A FOOTBALL club chairman has defended paying for his players McDonald's burgers for winning matches.

www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Indeed:

Football chairman defends buying burgers for teammates

A FOOTBALL club chairman has defended paying for his players McDonald's burgers for winning matches.

www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk

Probably right that I declare I received a £5 uncle Sam’s voucher for a MOTM performance for Southdown rovers c1994.

It’s a massive relief finally getting this off my chest

 

[Weststander]

I hear you, I wasn’t looking at FFP, more what FSG are willing to spend. l based on previous outlay and their “plans”. If their plans are to spend, say £200m it would be IMO dangerous to spend that sum on two players when I feel they need more.

I suspect £100m on a CM, £40m on another CM and £40m on CB.

Club income is at a record £600m (third highest in the world), 61,000 gates next season, several huge contracts are ending and the club didn’t spend the £70m budgeted for Tchouameni last summer. Going by the ITK football writers, FSG will be addressing their failures of last summer.

I think we’re in agreement. I don’t see them spending £100m on someone like Bellingham and £80m plus on Caicedo.

 

[The Fits]

I suspect £100m on a CM, £40m on another CM and £40m on CB.

Club income is at a record £600m (third highest in the world), 61,000 gates next season, several huge contracts are ending and the club didn’t spend the £70m budgeted for Tchouameni last summer. Going by the ITK football writers, FSG will be addressing their failures last summer.

I think we’re in agreement. I don’t see them spending £100m on someone like Bellingham and £80m plus on Caicedo.

I reckon if Liverpool signed Bellingham and Caicedo they'd win the league, even with the donkeys at the back.

 

[Weststander]

I reckon if Liverpool signed Bellingham and Caicedo they'd win the league, even with the donkeys at the back.

I rate Robertson (destroyed Dalot, Varane and Fred on Sunday), VVD and Konate. TAA has always been a suspect defender, but Klopp swaps that for insane assist stats and attacking abilities.

Gomez and now past sell by date Matip are liabilities. Gomez is just a rubbish defender.

2023/24 is impossible to call. Manure owned by a ‘fund’ (state), ManC and Chelsea will continue to break all transfer records, whilst under the Arsenal love-in radar Kroenke has been pumping in £100m’s for wages/fees in the last 3 years.

 

[Machiavelli]

I rate Robertson (destroyed Dalot, Varane and Fred on Sunday), VVD and Konate. TAA has always been a suspect defender, but Klopp swaps that for insane assist stats and attacking abilities.

Gomez and now past sell by date Matip are liabilities. Gomez is just a rubbish defender.

2023/24 is impossible to call. Manure owned by a ‘fund’ (state), ManC and Chelsea will continue to break all transfer records, whilst under the Arsenal love-in radar Kroenke has been pumping in £100m’s for wages/fees in the last 3 years.

Agreed. Konate is a consummate defender -- I think he's right up there as one of the PL's best CBs, probably top five.