MK Point of view

[Whitterz]

who cares , you cant change the past, get on with it

 

[Muhammad - I’m hard - Bruce Lee]

Which is why I'll never ever set foot in your ground or acknowledge your existence as a football league club.

 

[Statto]

who cares , you cant change the past, get on with it

Word.

 

[mona]

The MK fans I've met have all been amiable. Although, the Winkelman franchise was wrong and must NOT be repeated there have been plenty of dodgy deals in football history. Southern clubs were prevented from joining the League pre-1920. Arsenal's move from Woolwich to Highbury and subsequent murky events along with the old closed shop that prevented ambitious non-league clubs from joining the league spring to mind.

I was surprised by MK Dons' support at the Hockey ground. Perhaps the level of support has gone a way to ameliorating the wrong done to WFC.

 

[clapham_gull]

Basically, Winkelman had a real vision when he made the move in the fact that people here were so starved of football that they would go whatever the moral dilemma. Now however most people going seem to have no trouble at all as the club settles in the society.

I know nobody likes us and completely understand why, however, I don't ever really see why I have to justify supporting the team I do every week. I am proud to be a supporter of the club despite the history and really hope that more fans pick it up and become passionate about the club. I regret how the team came to rest in MK yet it happened and nothing that anyone does is going to affect that. AFCW are arguably better off now than if they'd somehow managed to keep WFC afloat, WFC would be similar to Luton with the several administrations and struggling to keep afloat. I wish AFC well in what they are doing and hope to see a financially secure team supporting Merton and Wimbledon in the league.

Anyway, it's been nice having this chat but I'm off now as I have an earlyish start and I'm quite knackered. Cheers

It begs the question why didn't he invest in the existing non league club rather than nick the league place of another one ?

Theft nothing more, nothing less and supporters of your club are nothing more than recipients of stolen goods.

 

[Questions]

Which begs the question why didn't he invest in the existing non league club rather than nick the league place of another one ?

Theft nothing more, nothing less and supporters of your club are nothing more than recipients of stolen goods.

Has there been any legislation put in place by the FL to stop it ever happening again.

 

[clapham_gull]

Has there been any legislation put in place by the FL to stop it ever happening again.

The rules were already in place, they chose to ignore them.

"I just didn't agree with the whole AFC claiming WFC's history"

That comment is frankly remarkable, might as throw identity theft as well.

Non only happy with nicking their league place, we'll take the history of the other club as well.

"Other club" is the correct terminology.

It was always the plan to create a new club in Milton Keynes as he's already said.

The reason that non club in Milton Keynes had to do it, was because the football supporters federation refused them entry until they did.

Quite rightly they had to hand back what wasn't there's. Unfortunately they can't give back the league place that doesn't belong to them either.

The only morally correct thing to do now, would be to hand the league place of MK Dons back to now stable club of AFC Wimbledon.

.. and I'm sure AFC in the process will gladly hand back the long and remarkable history of MK Dons in the process.

 

[Questions]

The rules were already in place, they chose to ignore them.

What rules were they ? Was it about distances under re-locations ? If they were ignored I am very surprised that this was not fought out in the courts. Excuse my ignorance here as I generally dont remember if it was or not.

 

[clapham_gull]

What rules were they ? Was it about distances under re-locations ? If they were ignored I am very surprised that this was not fought out in the courts. Excuse my ignorance here as I generally dont remember if it was or not.

Yep - a club isn't allowed to be taken away from it's home area. Didn't Brighton have to abide by that what deciding on the location of Falmer ?

As some of the see no, hear no, speak no crowd on here have already pointed out you can't change the past.

Doesn't have to make you happy with it, or accept the current situation.

I'll never set foot in their ground, or have anything more to do with their "fans".

I did have the misfortune of working in the area once and speaking to a few who were completely ignorant of why a football league club had suddenly appeared on their door step.

I hope they'll never be accepted by real football fans. I pray for the day they go out of existence and are scrubbed from the history of the football league.

 

[Robot Chicken]

I just feel sorry for Milton Keynes City FC who folded in 2003 after reaching the Premier Division of the Spartan South Midlands League

(Just discovered that Mercedes Benz FC (a London works team that moved to Milton Keynes) assumed the name from 1998 - 2003 after the original City FC folded in 1985) so that's fairly coincidental...

 

[clapham_gull]

I just feel sorry for Milton Keynes City FC who folded in 2003 after reaching the Premier Division of the Spartan South Midlands League

(Just discovered that Mercedes Benz FC (a London works team that moved to Milton Keynes) assumed the name from 1998 - 2003 after the original City FC folded in 1985) so that's fairly coincidental...

Remarkable isn't it. Unfortunately teams in Milton Keynes didn't have a league place so won't worthy of investment.

I'll tell you what, lets nick someone elses.

Let's forget all this move Wimbledon to Milton Keynes to save them bollocks.

MK Dons "fans", hold your heads in shame.

 

[Part Of The Crowd]

The rules were already in place, they chose to ignore them.

"I just didn't agree with the whole AFC claiming WFC's history"

That comment is frankly remarkable, might as throw identity theft as well.

Non only happy with nicking their league place, we'll take the history of the other club as well.

"Other club" is the correct terminology.

It was always the plan to create a new club in Milton Keynes as he's already said.

The reason that non club in Milton Keynes had to do it, was because the football supporters federation refused them entry until they did.

Quite rightly they had to hand back what wasn't there's. Unfortunately they can't give back the league place that doesn't belong to them either.

The only morally correct thing to do now, would be to hand the league place of MK Dons back to now stable club of AFC Wimbledon.

.. and I'm sure AFC in the process will gladly hand back the long and remarkable history of MK Dons in the process.

AFCW are not WFC and therefore we will not be handing anybody back a place. I do not want them to give us the history, I want them to drop the 'we are the same club' bit, as quite frankly they aren't. By saying this I am not implying that we are. AFCW founded in 2002 won their first trophy 100 years ago?

 

[Brovion]

AFCW are not WFC and therefore we will not be handing anybody back a place. I do not want them to give us the history, I want them to drop the 'we are the same club' bit, as quite frankly they aren't. By saying this I am not implying that we are. AFCW founded in 2002 won their first trophy 100 years ago?

That's an interesting view and you have to ask yourself what IS a football club? If your main criteria for judging continuation is simply paperwork at Companies House then no, AFC Wimbledon are not 'Wimbledon'. But then you could also argue that Accrington Stanley, Aldershot, Bradford (Park Avenue), etc, etc are not the real clubs. However if football clubs are about fans and representing a specific location then yes, AFC Wimbledon indisputibaly ARE 'Wimbledon', how can they be anything else? After all there was a club, it disappeared so the fans reformed it. If we'd gone bust (or moved to New Brighton perhaps) I'd now be supporting AFC Brighton or whatever the reformed club would have been called - and I'd still be going on about how 'we' got to the Cup Final in 1983.

Even in America, the home of franchised sport, this has happened. When Art Modell moved the Cleveland Browns from Cleveland to Baltimore he was told he had to leave the history behind. The Baltimore team was renamed to the Ravens and was treated as a totally new club with no history - even though it was exactly the same set of personnel and the same legal entity that had previously been 'Cleveland'. The new Cleveland club, formed a few years later, became the 'Browns' and were seen as the rightful inheritors of the Browns history.

 

[Notters]

Good to hear from an MK fan who actually knows what he is talking about. Unlike when i was walking back to Bletchley station after the game, an MK fan says to his friend when seeing me in my albion shirt "Oh look, Brighton lot, maybe they'll start singing now" As if we had'nt been singing during the game-like they hadn't

Seriously? We met two who used to go to Luton... I feel sorry for them.

 

[sully]

If your main criteria for judging continuation is simply paperwork at Companies House then no, AFC Wimbledon are not 'Wimbledon'. But then you could also argue that Accrington Stanley, Aldershot, Bradford (Park Avenue), etc, etc are not the real clubs.

Not forgetting the likes of Leeds United, Leicester City, ........

 

[Rich Suvner]

who cares , you cant change the past, get on with it

Don't agree with the sentiment about not caring, as MK Dons' creation represents the dark side of modern football where the importance of community has become devalued.

However, have to agree that give it time and people will forget.

(Woolwich) Arsenal anybody? South London's most successful football club that never was?

 

[Brovion]

Not forgetting the likes of Leeds United, Leicester City, ........

Oh indeed, I only left them out because in those cases there was a (virtually) seamless transition between the old entity and the new. The old club ceased to be and the new one started the next day in the same place and with virtually the same staff. This isn't always the case with the defunct/reformed clubs. For example for a short while there were TWO reformed Bradford Park Avenues! (Although admittedly only one claimed to be the true descendant of the original club).

 

[Superphil]

I just feel sorry for Milton Keynes City FC who folded in 2003 after reaching the Premier Division of the Spartan South Midlands League

(Just discovered that Mercedes Benz FC (a London works team that moved to Milton Keynes) assumed the name from 1998 - 2003 after the original City FC folded in 1985) so that's fairly coincidental...

Winkleman bought MK City some time ago, and is apparently going to rename the club Milton Keynes City in the near future.