[Football] Mindless vandalism of a defibrillator at Buxted FC

[Greg Bobkin]

Some context is required, when I was 16 I was going to away games with my mates, I’ve seen it all train windows smashed, fire extinguishers let of on trains ( what if there was an actual fire) mindless vandalism a regular occurrence by Albion fans older than us at the time. I’m guessing some of them post on here some maybe even calling for blood on this thread. The point the majority have all done irresponsible things as young men, let’s not forget that before we call for over the top punishment.

Sure, but I've never smashed up expensive medical equipment that could save someone's life. Nor have I ever destroyed someone else's property

 

[Is it PotG?]

Sure, but I've never smashed up expensive medical equipment that could save someone's life. Nor have I ever destroyed someone else's property

But it's not their fault, it has been a long term effect of the ills and injustice in society that has made them this way.

 

[happypig]

With youths, a community sentence called a Youth Rehabilitation Order with requirements such as curfew and unpaid work are usually far better at turning them around and getting them to see that there are consequences. Imprisonment (and I'd be very surprised if this is considered to have crossed that threshold) is demanded as a knee-jerk reaction by people who don't really understand the purposes of sentencing nor appreciate how ineffective it often is; Yes it would punish them and shit them up a treat but is much more likely to put them on a path to further offending.
These are youths and are dickheads, no question, but as Justice said, a lot of us were dickheads in our youth. If this were my son doing this, I would be mortified, ashamed and disappointed but I wouldn't want him duffed up or electrocuted.

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

Some context is required, when I was 16 I was going to away games with my mates, I’ve seen it all train windows smashed, fire extinguishers let of on trains ( what if there was an actual fire) mindless vandalism a regular occurrence by Albion fans older than us at the time. I’m guessing some of them post on here some maybe even calling for blood on this thread. The point the majority have all done irresponsible things as young men, let’s not forget that before we call for over the top punishment.

Another sensible post.

 

[Hugo Rune]

That’s Tasha and Weasel.

The names I’ve been give are ‘Kerry’ and her cousin ‘Kurtan’. I won’t mention their mucky surnames as that is just too low; they could be traced and lynched.

In light of the recent Euros incident, you’d hope that each are given a minimum of 10 years.

 

[GT49er]

With youths, a community sentence called a Youth Rehabilitation Order with requirements such as curfew and unpaid work are usually far better at turning them around and getting them to see that there are consequences. Imprisonment (and I'd be very surprised if this is considered to have crossed that threshold) is demanded as a knee-jerk reaction by people who don't really understand the purposes of sentencing nor appreciate how ineffective it often is; Yes it would punish them and shit them up a treat but is much more likely to put them on a path to further offending.
These are youths and are dickheads, no question, but as Justice said, a lot of us were dickheads in our youth. If this were my son doing this, I would be mortified, ashamed and disappointed but I wouldn't want him duffed up or electrocuted.

TBF, I don't think anybody's suggested this!

 

[Swansman]

Sure, but I've never smashed up expensive medical equipment that could save someone's life. Nor have I ever destroyed someone else's property

There are other people than you though, less morale and less perfect and who perhaps are doing or did do more dumb shit. Plenty of those turned out to be alright in the end anyway.

 

[GT49er]

There are other people than you though, less morale and less perfect and who perhaps are doing or did do more dumb shit. Plenty of those turned out to be alright in the end anyway.

Those who 'are doing'. by definition, haven't turned out alright.

 

[DavidRyder]

This has made me so angry, can't concentrate on work now.

I just cannot fathom why they did it, with glee, and with the final insult of spitting in the box. It wasn't as if they were 2 drunk lads at the end of a heavy evening (still no excuse), they looked sober. I'm utterly disgusted, I hope they feel real genuine shame and are made to pay (literally) for their actions.

 

[Iggle Piggle]

The timing can't be a coincidence. Are they Arsenal "fans" horrified that one saved a former Spurs player? If that is the case then Broadmoor could genuinely be the best option as that is psychotic.

My working theory was that they had done the lot on Denmark. If that is true - and it is pure speculation - I doubt it will make the next "When the fun stops, stop" advert.

 

[vagabond]

Also question marks on the parents who raised these little shits as far as I’m concerned.

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

In light of the recent Euros incident, you’d hope that each are given a minimum of 10 years.

Oh dear oh dear, l only hope you aren't selected for jury service.

 

[Sheebo]

1.4 million views on Twitter and on bbc news page - shame it’s for a negative story but as I said, all publicity and all that!

 

[Hugo Rune]

Oh dear oh dear, l only hope you aren't selected for jury service.

Indeed. Doesn’t help that I know who they are and they’ve got previous - I’d certainly be bias if I was selected.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Yeah lets turn them suicidal or filled with feelings of revenge. That'll help society.

I have always said that if anyone hurt my family I would feel like I'd want to plot my revenge, with a scale disproportionate, but I'd expect the state to stop me. We have organized ourselves into a society to protect and promote individual advantage through co-operation, using laws to mark the boundaries of deviance.

Unfortunately there is a strong streak through the Brits of taking the law into one's own hands, and demanding disproportionate retribution with a strog element of punishment, and this is typically justified as being the deterrent that would have prevented it happening in the first place.

This pair of fools didn't think about consequences.

Unfortunately, again, the average taxpayer isn't keen on the expense that would be needed to bring young people to a point where they won't reoffend, and would rather see them locked up (and if someone buggers them or kills them, tough) to be released later where the chances of a 'lesson learned' are no greater than the chance they will be hardened, do worse crime, live off benefits, or kill themselves.

Yes, my id wants blood and revenge, but I try to ignore my id.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

With youths, a community sentence called a Youth Rehabilitation Order with requirements such as curfew and unpaid work are usually far better at turning them around and getting them to see that there are consequences. Imprisonment (and I'd be very surprised if this is considered to have crossed that threshold) is demanded as a knee-jerk reaction by people who don't really understand the purposes of sentencing nor appreciate how ineffective it often is; Yes it would punish them and shit them up a treat but is much more likely to put them on a path to further offending.
These are youths and are dickheads, no question, but as Justice said, a lot of us were dickheads in our youth. If this were my son doing this, I would be mortified, ashamed and disappointed but I wouldn't want him duffed up or electrocuted.

This.

I have an examiner's meeting now. Later I may post an ingenious punishment I thought up (remember, I acknowledge that my id seeks retribution).

 

[Dr Q]

If they haven't caught Miss Piggy yet, surely a stake (bake) out at Greggs would be a good start?

 

[GT49er]

Unfortunately, again, the average taxpayer isn't keen on the expense that would be needed to bring young people to a point where they won't reoffend, and would rather see them locked up (and if someone buggers them or kills them, tough) to be released later where the chances of a 'lesson learned' are no greater than the chance they will be hardened, do worse crime, live off benefits, or kill themselves.

Yes, my id wants blood and revenge, but I try to ignore my id.

I don't think anybody sees incarceration as a cheap option to community service and probation!

 

[Seasider78]

Indeed. Doesn’t help that I know who they are and they’ve got previous - I’d certainly be bias if I was selected.

Gareth Keenan smashed it up surely not

 

[Frankie]

Hard to imagine what must go through someones mind to do this sort of thing , there's simply no defending these two , iv'e no idea of the maximum punishment available for such blatant destruction of property but i hope whoever dishes out the punishment gives them the maximum sentence available by law .