[News] Middle East conflict

[aftershavedave]

Remember folks, posters aren't always what they seem. There are a couple on here who remind me of plants that we've seen before. A message board with millions of posts is an obvious target

 

[Is it PotG?]

Some very alarming opinions on here.

 

[de la zouch]

It absolutely is as it’s so indiscriminate. Some of the pagers are doubtless used by Hezbollah but from the reports so far, many were in the possession of innocent civilians, business people and children. Terrorism has many definitions but spreading fear and terror, and a lack of concern over innocent bystanders killed or injured, are key parts of most accepted definitions.

It’s pagers we are talking about, random civilians didn’t have these pagers. They were supplied to and used by evil terrorists, who can now form a wonderful falsetto choir

 

[herecomesaregular]

It’s a long term tactic and very effective. Previously, their commanders were taken out from their phone GPS. So they switched to pagers. Now they can’t use them.

The collateral damage to this is innocent bystanders but a terrorist operation has been shut down.

This is reckless and possibly murder of bystanders by the IDF. But they might have shut down an entire terrorism modus operandi.

nAll of this why this cannot be binary or partisan.

Eh? You really think this shuts them down? This isn't Game Over or anywhere near it.

 

[Professor Plum]

It’s a long term tactic and very effective. Previously, their commanders were taken out from their phone GPS. So they switched to pagers. Now they can’t use them.

The collateral damage to this is innocent bystanders but a terrorist operation has been shut down.

This is reckless and possibly murder of bystanders by the IDF. But they might have shut down an entire terrorism modus operandi.

All of this is why this cannot be binary or partisan.

A short term gain at the expense of an even deeper rooted and widening sense of resentment and hatred in the region. Any idea that the Israeli government are working towards a ceasefire and an end to the conflict, is now well and truly out the window.

 

[Professor Plum]

It’s pagers we are talking about, random civilians didn’t have these pagers. They were supplied to and used by evil terrorists, who can now form a wonderful falsetto choir

You’ve no information on the wider distribution of the pagers beyond the core intended targets. It’s obvious from the reports coming in that the victims didn’t belong to one demographic. And even if they had done, think of the ‘collateral damage’ depending on where the device was stored, or who happened to be sitting next to the owner on a bus or in the market. It’s a a truly dreadful tactic.

 

[aftershavedave]

You’ve no information on the wider distribution of the pagers beyond the core intended targets. It’s obvious from the reports coming in that the victims didn’t belong to one demographic. And even if they had done, think of the ‘collateral damage’ depending on where the device was stored, or who happened to be sitting next to the owner on a bus or in the market. It’s a a truly dreadful tactic.

See my post above. this fella is not an albion fan imo (not you mr plum)

 

[Eric the meek]

Eh? You really think this shuts them down? This isn't Game Over or anywhere near it.

How do you know? You're just guessing / hoping.

 

[Eric the meek]

You’ve no information on the wider distribution of the pagers beyond the core intended targets. It’s obvious from the reports coming in that the victims didn’t belong to one demographic. And even if they had done, think of the ‘collateral damage’ depending on where the device was stored, or who happened to be sitting next to the owner on a bus or in the market. It’s a a truly dreadful tactic.

What is the information that you have and the rest of us don't?

 

[Professor Plum]

See my post above. this fella is not an albion fan imo (not you mr plum)

Fair comment. I’m out.

 

[Zeberdi]

It’s a long term tactic and very effective. Previously, their commanders were taken out from their phone GPS. So they switched to pagers. Now they can’t use them.

The collateral damage to this is innocent bystanders but a terrorist operation has been shut down.

This is reckless and possibly murder of bystanders by the IDF. But they might have shut down an entire terrorism modus operandi.

All of this is why this cannot be binary or partisan.

I agree completely with your last sentence but question that in bold.

If it were the case that taking out several thousand pagers has shut down ‘an entire mo’, there might be a military justification to this attack but I do have doubt they have shut down anything. In fact this could invoke a response from Iran or Yemen while Hezbollah regroup and re-equip. Just this week, Yemen launched a new type of long range missile into the heart of Israel that evaded the Iron dome and oil has already leaked into the waters of the Red Sea from an attacked oil tanker.

Because Israel is not fighting just Hamas in Gaza nor even a state army located in another geographical area but fighting non-state terrorist entities who share a similar ideology to brethren groups spread throughout the ME and Yemen - an all out war with Hezbollah could be devastating for the entire region. Hezbollah are a military strength receiving most of its equipment, training and funding from Iran and Syria and are likely the most heavily armed non-state group in the world.

When all sides to a conflict have a history of showing scant regard for civilian casualties in pursuit of their military objectives, it leaves little hope for civilian welfare in the event of escalation.

There are no winners in this conflict, just losers.

There’s nothing to celebrate here imo.

(EDIT - I should add only my first sentence and next paragraph was really directed at you/your post not the rest)

 

[borat]

Israel hits another refugee camp

Scores killed, injured in Israeli airstrikes on Gaza refugee camp

Israeli warplanes hit several houses in Bureij refugee camp as dozens of people were inside, Civil Defense Service says - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Zeberdi]

No one is celebrating a child’s death
Hezbollah has fired 8000 rockets into Israel in the last year including one that killed many children playing football (where were your tears then) so they are at war. This war has the lowest rate of civilian deaths of any modern war.

The tragic and very sad football incident wasn’t in ‘Israel’ any more than Gaza, East Jerusalem or the West Bank is in ‘Israel’ - it was in the occupied Syrian Golan Heights. At least apprise yourself of the facts.

As for the sentence in bold, I’m speechless (unless you were just referring to Israeli citizens)

 

[Vin]

I guess Israel will be invading Lebanon soon then.

 

[aftershavedave]

The tragic and very sad football incident wasn’t in ‘Israel’ - it was in the occupied Syrian Golan Heights. At least apprise yourself of the facts.

As for the sentence in bold, I’m speechless (unless you were just referring to Israeli citizens)

I have taken you off ignore to suggest that you are arguing with an Israeli plant. Just stop

 

[chickens]

While sharing the amazement at the sheer chutzpah of the tactics used, I really wish Israel would consider likely collateral damage a little more. In all of their many conflicts, frankly.

They may have taken out some enemy operatives, but there’s a lot of innocent people who don’t deserve what’s happened out there tonight. It doesn’t feel like anyone’s winning to me.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Oh well done Israel, more escalation towards blowing the whole world up. f*** sake

God Britain has got so much to answer for. "Need to help the Jews find a Homeland after their persecution in Europe, where shall we put it? Anywhere in the world? Anywhere. OK, how about this densely populated part of the middle east, the holy land for three major religions? Excellent idea, that won't possibly go wrong. Back to mine for Pimms?"

 

[heathgate]

This is a remarkable story, isn't it?

The planning and sophistication needed to infiltrate a supply chain and implant thousands of pagers, that remain completely operational, with high-grade explosives, such that they can be made to all go BANG! at some point in the future.

That's quite something.

Israel says it killed senior Hezbollah figures in strike on Beirut

Lebanon's health ministry says 14 people were killed and dozens injured in the strike, as cross-border exchanges escalate.

www.bbc.co.uk

I can't help but admire the audacity of the Israeli military... "We will get you, you can't hide from us"

 

[heathgate]

Oh well done Israel, more escalation towards blowing the whole world up. f*** sake

God Britain has got so much to answer for. "Need to help the Jews find a Homeland after their persecution in Europe, where shall we put it? Anywhere in the world? Anywhere. OK, how about this densely populated part of the middle east, the holy land for three major religions? Excellent idea, that won't possibly go wrong. Back to mine for Pimms?"

Dick, I assume that's your real name... blocked

 

[heathgate]

I have taken you off ignore to suggest that you are arguing with an Israeli plant. Just stop

Who the fook in Israel would plant a poster on NSC,.. You dull Muppet.