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Middle class, working class. How do YOU define the two?
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Nope, just someone else who has a love of Italian food...pasta snobs of the World unite!
(Spaghetti with a dill, lemon and smoked salmon sauce for dinner tonight)
JonathanLivingstonSeagull
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the upper class are blurring with the bourgeoises. the bourgeoises are those that own the means of production (re. factories etc, or the modern equivalent - offices). The working class are those that WORK.
we think we are the liberated working classes, but it is an illusion in my opinion - one based on wooden salad bowls and pasta, which seems rather silly. If we work, we are a working class.
Certainly the qualities of life differ, but we are still part of the same system, and we are still waged slaves to it. And i think the difference in lifestyle is more marked between whoever owns the factory (or the 'old money' type) and the rest, rather than a salad bowl household, and a non-salad bowl household!
There is still a house, a telly, a car... rather than a mansion in all the most glamorous cities, a fleet of super-cars and a private jet.
Though, we have the choice to a) detach ourselves from the system, or b) 'beat' the system (nouveau riche etc) Or be happy in it is an option too.
If you seriously want to talk class it is upper: (1%) middle: (1%) and then the (vast) rest of us. I don't agree with all these various shades of 'middle'. We are a new working class, for a modern world. We enjoy the benefits of modernity, and the shades of difference in quality of life, aspirations and so on, are shades within the working class, not the middle...
...essentially we are all part of the self same stuff, a cultural paradigm within which 98% of us dwell.
Then we have the 2% (who pass by unobserved for the greater part) and we all sit around and envy the nouveau riche who are the 1% of the 98%... leaving 97% of us a bit annoyed and envious but largely too apathetic (and content!) to care. Hence no revolution.
we think we are the liberated working classes, but it is an illusion in my opinion - one based on wooden salad bowls and pasta, which seems rather silly. If we work, we are a working class.
Certainly the qualities of life differ, but we are still part of the same system, and we are still waged slaves to it. And i think the difference in lifestyle is more marked between whoever owns the factory (or the 'old money' type) and the rest, rather than a salad bowl household, and a non-salad bowl household!
There is still a house, a telly, a car... rather than a mansion in all the most glamorous cities, a fleet of super-cars and a private jet.
Though, we have the choice to a) detach ourselves from the system, or b) 'beat' the system (nouveau riche etc) Or be happy in it is an option too.
If you seriously want to talk class it is upper: (1%) middle: (1%) and then the (vast) rest of us. I don't agree with all these various shades of 'middle'. We are a new working class, for a modern world. We enjoy the benefits of modernity, and the shades of difference in quality of life, aspirations and so on, are shades within the working class, not the middle...
...essentially we are all part of the self same stuff, a cultural paradigm within which 98% of us dwell.
Then we have the 2% (who pass by unobserved for the greater part) and we all sit around and envy the nouveau riche who are the 1% of the 98%... leaving 97% of us a bit annoyed and envious but largely too apathetic (and content!) to care. Hence no revolution.
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Working class would vote BNP in preferece to UKIP
Middle class would vote UKIP in preference to BNP
Both parties have similar policies , aims and ambitions.
Middle class would vote UKIP in preference to BNP
Both parties have similar policies , aims and ambitions.
beorhthelm
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funny, whole afternoon and we dont even have an attempt at a definition.
Hunting 784561
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Blimey.
Smart Mart Hall has a cleaner, an ironing lady, and a gardener.
We must be right old toffs, innit ?
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Working class people like Tony Benn's politics, but distrust his background.
Middle class people hate Tony Benn's politics, but respect his background.
Middle class people hate Tony Benn's politics, but respect his background.
You can't define it, you just know it - if you have to ask it means you're probably working class hoping you'll sneek into a middle-class bracket - if you have class you don't care.
That's the one.