What a load of nonsense.....'it's the best we have so get over it and agree to us all becoming one federal state or we're all at war again'? Crikey, not even the remainers would have had the nerve to say anything like that.
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MEP Nigel farage
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What a load of nonsense.....'it's the best we have so get over it and agree to us all becoming one federal state or we're all at war again'? Crikey, not even the remainers would have had the nerve to say anything like that.
KingKev
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So why did less than 70% of them turn up to vote on EU membership if they are so committed to it?
Does Glasgow get to vote on ceding from Scotland as it voted out of UK but was overruled by the rest of Scotland?
Can Hove and central Brighton leave when we elect Tory governments?
The referendum question for the Scots was "stay or go", not "stay as long as we're in the EU otherwise go".
spring hall convert
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I repeat, when the Scots voted to remain in the UK, they wouldn't in their wildest dreams have thought we'd come out of the EU. I don't think it's an outrageous question for them to be asking given the result.
Whether it's in their ultimate interests or not is another matter altogether.
'Leave' was always a strong option in a referendum - which is why governments don't like giving them unless they can be sure of the result. Cameron's mistake (and why he will ultimately be seen as a weak PM) was to offer something in the belief that the circumstances (an overall Tory majority) would never happen.
spring hall convert
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Well it was clearly a strong option in hindsight!
However, as recently as 2 months ago there were polls giving large leads to remain. I might be wrong but I'm not sure it was even considered as part of the Scots decision making process. We can argue whether that was wise or not until the cows come home.....
When the independence vote was taken I don't think Cameron had promised the referendum if they won. But UKIP were definitely very strongly supported and the likelihood was that they would be the deciding factor in a hung parliament. That didn't happen but it led to the promised referendum. All of this should have been in the minds of those voting for independence. The idea of applying to join the EU (and the Spanish refusal) was certainly discussed.
severnside gull
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Overtaken by France as sterling fell. Sorry
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
Please post an article referring to that detail.
Thats just not true, sterlings fall in value against the Euro (although it seems not by much) may threaten our position but again it may not, the data isnt available, it just supposition on your part.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36661918
Billy the Fish
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You and your German mate are talking utter nonsense!!!
Guy Crouchback
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Perhaps we are, only time will tell.
KingKev
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But imperfect knowledge of the future is a fact of life - and of elections. They voted to retain a say in the future of the U.K., and by a very sizeable margin. The fact that the future looks different to what they thought it was is no reason to cry foul now.
Anyway there's not really a great deal of evidence that I've seen that the Scots or the northern Irish actively like being in Europe. The sham is being played out predominantly from anti-English feelings rather than truly pro-European ones IMHO.
In a way they're going to replicate what would have happened if they voted out of UK anyway, but with a stronger negotiating position backed by the English demand for EU goods and retention of the Barnett formula for good measure. They would never have been accepted into EU on their own - Germany doesn't have the cash to bail out yet another pauper state, particularly one that hasn't got a currency, a credit rating or a central bank, even if it is a tiny one.
Guy Crouchback
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However, Billy, as I am a bit of a gambling man (one has one's weaknesses) I propose a bet:
If in one year after the actual Brexit (formal leaving the EU) the UK is better off economically (faster GDP growth, stronger pound in relation to euro, lower unemployment, more exports etc.) than it is today, then you win the bet and I shall send you a crate of best Polish vodka. If the opposite happens, then I win and you will find this thread, quote this post, and write three words "I was wrong". Sounds fair, doesn't it?
Geestar
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Can I jump in on that?
Guy Crouchback
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The special conditions I offered are only for Billy, but if you want to make your own offer of a bet, I'm listening.
Geestar
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I will probably have forgotten by then anyway....will be too busy exporting and making pounds in my new job ;-)The special conditions I offered are only for Billy, but if you want to make your own offer of a bet, I'm listening.
Guy Crouchback
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I like the British sense of humour--it's one of the things that will surely help you survive the coming economic crisis. ;-)
ManOfSussex
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Economic crisis? That's what the experts say and we've had enough of them.
Guy Crouchback
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The experts or the crises?
ManOfSussex
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Both. There is no crisis, because everything will be fine and the British people have had enough of experts, because the expert Michael Gove said so.