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[Dandyman]

Yes, I think the Carole move was a good one, he definitely created more than Harty, who is an honest trier but frankly Crewe had his measure by the second half. Do you acept Dandyman that if Carole had not been give his chance, there would have been a chrous of abuse for McGhee from the McGhee critics for not doing that while we were 1-0 down?

Re. adopting more attacking tactics while we were 1-0 up? Well, we stuck with the two-winger strategy for a long time in the game but it was obvious that was going nowhere because we couldn't get the ball off the Crewe midfield. If we had pushed another player forward, that would have played more quickly into Gradi's hands. The defensive move of sacrificing Frutos for Hammond was the right one, but alas making the right tactical move never guarentees success, that is up to the players on the pitch, and they were outplayed by Crewe.

The questions you ask are perfectly fair, if only all the McGhee critics were like you, we would have a good debate about the games on here rather than the usual abusive rubbish we get.

I regard Carole as probably our most talented attacking player, so if he was fit then I would usually want him to play. If he was not fit however then the question of the effectiveness of bringing him on is unavoidable.

As for attacking if the question returns to the players, does it not also return to what is going on in training and to what extent the palyers are being motivated and given leadership ? IMO it not so much everything being Magee's fault as whether or not he (and his assistants) have enought left in their lockers to improve things this season or next.

 

[London Irish]

I'm Mcghee in rather than Mcghee out but he made mistakes Saturday. Frutos was just coming into the game when he was subbed (I assumed he was injured). If Hammonds task was to play defensively, he didn't. Thier first goal came from that side and if I remember rightly Lynch was exposed. Surely, if that was the plan wouldn't Mayo have been better suited to LM? Secondly, we don't defend as a team, CKR barely runs when we haven't got the ball. Somethings wrong when a player in a 'must win' game won't put in the requisite effort to win the ball back. Surely someone at the club has coached him to do this.

Is there room for Mcghee in but he f***ed up on Saturday in this debate?

There is room for any reasonably argued opinion on NSC, only the paranoid McGhee outers pretend there is widespread persecution on here

You make a number of interesting points.

But I happen to disagree that Frutos was growing in influence in the game. He got little ball and what little he got he wasn't making best use of.

Swapping Hammond and Mayo is an interesting idea but Hammond has actually more experience playing left midfield in recent times than Mayo, and there was always a hope that that role could produce a goal for us (it is Hammond's most productive goal-scoring position). Kerry I though was our best outfield player on Saturday, so I would not have been tempted to move him but keep him in the key position of CM. Did Hammond play really well when he came on? Probably not, but Crewe were in their groove by then and he tried his hardest when we going backwards most of the time, harsh to blame the fluke goal on him, that was more down to Lynch's unfortunate slip if you want to search backwards for the space he was allowed.

I agree with your criticisms of CKR (we know that McGhee has said that there are general fitness issues) but he is also our most productive goal scorer and threat. An awful dilemma for McGhee, he is probably not ready to be part of the starting 11 but we have no one better. I would be tempted to stick with him and just work on his faults, particularly as you say, his movement.

 

[Gerbil]

There is room for any reasonably argued opinion on NSC, only the paranoid McGhee outers pretend there is widespread persecution on here

You make a number of interesting points.

But I happen to disagree that Frutos was growing in influence in the game. He got little ball and what little he got he wasn't making best use of.

Swapping Hammond and Mayo is an interesting idea but Hammond has actually more experience playing left midfield in recent times than Mayo, and there was always a hope that that role could produce a goal for us (it is Hammond's most productive goal-scoring position). Kerry I though was our best outfield player on Saturday, so I would not have been tempted to move him but keep him in the key position of CM. Did Hammond play really well when he came on? Probably not, but Crewe were in their groove by then and he tried his hardest when we going backwards most of the time, harsh to blame the fluke goal on him, that was more down to Lynch's unfortunate slip if you want to search backwards for the space he was allowed.

I agree with your criticisms of CKR (we know that McGhee has said that there are general fitness issues) but he is also our most productive goal scorer and threat. An awful dilemma for McGhee, he is probably not ready to be part of the starting 11 but we have no one better. I would be tempted to stick with him and just work on his faults, particularly as you say, his movement.

When Magoo does go,and he will very shortly hopefully,does this mean that you will also go?
Or will you fnd another drum to bang.

 

[Brixtaan]

I won't be at the game so i'm in no position to say but if i was and i saw the banner i'd think you were a dick.

McGhee has come running to take over a sick club, because he clearly has passion and enthusiasm for it and so far he's got us playing good football (when he wasn't panicking as of late),he's investing in youth (long term plan) and clearing dead wood whilst at least competing well,no-one has it easy against Brighton.

For f u c ks sake let him have a season in the toilet below.Easy wins,blooding youth and if he doesn't make the play-off final or better then fairs fair bye-bye.He is owed that chance for the first season miracle.

 

[London Irish]

Thats a good point. Would LI have come down on Bellotti and Archers side Would he have believed all the crap they were spouting

Makes you think doesnt it? Dont question those in charge. They know what they are doing.

That's my problem in a nutshell. What an awful establishment toady I am.

 

[aftershavedave]

LI: how on earth do you manage to spend some much effort (and time typing) on a football message board?

do you really hold down a job as a journo? must be an easy job!

 

[London Irish]

When Magoo does go,and he will very shortly hopefully,does this mean that you will also go?
Or will you fnd another drum to bang.

I thought it was you that was going, or was all that attention-seeking about not renewing your season ticket just your usual hot air? Anyway, welcome back if you're sticking around

 

[CHAPPERS]

I love this f***ing 'miracle' word that we keep hearing when people talk about when McGhee kept us up by the skin of our teeth. I recognise it was a good acievement but a miracle? No.

 

[London Irish]

LI: how on earth do you manage to spend some much effort (and time typing) on a football message board?

do you really hold down a job as a journo? must be an easy job!

It's too easy for my own good to be honest. I only work a 24-hour week and never on Mondays

 

[aftershavedave]

I only work a 24-hour week and never on Mondays

that's not a job!!!

 

[Uncle Buck]

There is room for any reasonably argued opinion on NSC, only the paranoid McGhee outers pretend there is widespread persecution on here

You are truely incapable of posting on here without having a swipe at those that have an opinion that differs to yours.

If you want to talk about football then fine, but the problem is you have to get a dig, whether it is personal or not, in every time.

 

[Stinky Kat]

what Mcghee is consitsant with is long runs of losing games. 6 last season and we are on 5 at the moment. Is he going for Hinch's 13 or 13 so he can get a move upstairs?

 

[Gerbil]

I thought it was you that was going, or was all that attention-seeking about not renewing your season ticket just your usual hot air? Anyway, welcome back if you're sticking around

When have I said I'm going anywhere?

Or does not having a season ticket for "Tier 238" or whatever division we're in next season exclude me from being on here?

Nice to see you squirming and doing your usual avoiding the questions earlier

I think a few people have sussed you out to be the nice fella you really are now

 

[Rougvie]

I love this f***ing 'miracle' word that we keep hearing when people talk about when McGhee kept us up by the skin of our teeth. I recognise it was a good acievement but a miracle? No.

Maybe it was a miracle to those not around in the days of REAL miracles, you know, such as staying in the Football League.

 

[Gerbil]

Maybe it was a miracle to those not around in the days of REAL miracles, you know, such as staying in the Football League.

Hmmmm I wonder who that might be

 

[London Irish]

We were still playing a 4-4-2 system with midfielders holding the left and right hand sides.

Your mistake is to think all 4-4-2 systems are the same though, there are many variants. You can't pretend that the 4-4-2 we have with Carole and Frutos getting forward so oten is the same as the one we played at Norwich when Hinshelwood was picked on the right midfield to shadow Huckerby. 4-4-2 can be a very offensive system or a very defensive system depending on who you pick as your flank players (better attackers or defenders?) and what instuctions you give them.

At the end of the day, it is a bit of a distraction to obsess about the systems, the devil is often in the detail about how well the players "fit" or perform in those systems - that is often the key thing. It always comes back to how good the players are.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Your mistake is to think all 4-4-2 systems are the same though, there are many variants. You can't pretend that the 4-4-2 we have with Carole and Frutos getting forward so oten is the same as the one we played at Norwich when Hinshelwood was picked on the right midfield to shadow Huckerby. 4-4-2 can be a very offensive system or a very defensive system depending on who you pick as your flank players (better attackers or defenders?) and what instuctions you give them.

At the end of the day, it is a bit of a distraction to obsess about the systems, the devil is often in the detail about how well the players "fit" or perform in those systems - that is often the key thing. It always comes back to how good the players are.

But the players we have currently are not good enough for the system that you hero plays. If he must play 2 wingers, then you need specialist full backs, yet we only have one of these at the club.

We have a certain abundance of centre backs at present, we are leaking goals, so this has to be the first area to look at. Build from the back, shut the opposition out and nick a result. Attacking is not working.

 

[Basil Fawlty]

Yes, I think the Carole move was a good one, he definitely created more than Harty, who is an honest trier but frankly Crewe had his measure by the second half. Do you acept Dandyman that if Carole had not been give his chance, there would have been a chrous of abuse for McGhee from the McGhee critics for not doing that while we were 1-0 down?

Re. adopting more attacking tactics while we were 1-0 up? Well, we stuck with the two-winger strategy for a long time in the game but it was obvious that was going nowhere because we couldn't get the ball off the Crewe midfield. If we had pushed another player forward, that would have played more quickly into Gradi's hands. The defensive move of sacrificing Frutos for Hammond was the right one, but alas making the right tactical move never guarentees success, that is up to the players on the pitch, and they were outplayed by Crewe.

The questions you ask are perfectly fair, if only all the McGhee critics were like you, we would have a good debate about the games on here rather than the usual abusive rubbish we get.

Carole wasn't 100% fit, are you blind aswell as stupid?

 

[London Irish]

When have I said I'm going anywhere?

Or does not having a season ticket for "Tier 238" or whatever division we're in next season exclude me from being on here?

Happy listening on SCR then. If you want to know who the new players are and how they are playing, just ask

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

Build from the back, shut the opposition out and nick a result. Attacking is not working.

What like last season you mean....