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[Dick Knights Mumm]

with the exception of Turienzo - yes.

But anyway it is not a great argument - you would need to look at MA's purchases at other clubs as well. He was in a fortunate position (thankfully) in his early Albion years - can he purchase at Championship level ? I dont know the answer - I just suspect it is harder to purchase at this level.

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

He signed Wise. Now Cov are comfortable and you could argue its down to him.

 

[Sid James]

But then with the exception of Pitcher, all his cash transfers can be deemed a success, can that be said of McGhee?

No, but you aren't comparing the same thing are you. Trying to succeed on a small budget is easier in Div 4 than it is in Div 2, the risk / reward level is higher.

Of the players you listed I would say Zamora & Cullip formed the basis of everything we did under Adams. Finding the equivalent with a similar budget at the level we are playing at now is quite an undertaking.

I would also agree with the comment regarding buying seasoned ( past their best ) pro's but then the flip side is how good a deal did Jason Dodd look back in August ?

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

He signed Wise. Now Cov are comfortable and you could argue its down to him.

We tried to sign Wise. Is it McGhee's fault we couldn't ? I don't know - but Wise clearly considered moving to Withdean - but choose The Ricoh. Perhaps they simply offered him more money.

 

[Dave the OAP]

We tried to sign Wise. Is it McGhee's fault we couldn't ? I don't know - but Wise clearly considered moving to Withdean - but choose The Ricoh. Perhaps they simply offered him more money.

which of course brings the argument full circle.

On the one hand, we are frugal with our financial management which may lead to the relegation of the club, or on the other, being prepared to finance a deal that may have led to us remaining in this division.

It is a matter of do you believe what is coming out of the club or do you not ( Insider said that there are funds for players - however to get no-one in and haggle over Henderson seems to contradict that view)

we will never know

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

After 18 pages - is that it ? Just a question of not having enough money to pursue all our interests ?

So it's not the manager after all.

Forget the banner. It was always a crap idea.

 

[Uncle Buck]

No, but you aren't comparing the same thing are you. Trying to succeed on a small budget is easier in Div 4 than it is in Div 2, the risk / reward level is higher.

Of the players you listed I would say Zamora & Cullip formed the basis of everything we did under Adams. Finding the equivalent with a similar budget at the level we are playing at now is quite an undertaking.

I would also agree with the comment regarding buying seasoned ( past their best ) pro's but then the flip side is how good a deal did Jason Dodd look back in August ?

In reality modern day football does not need to be about fees, the Bosman ruling saw to that. Good contacts within the game should lead to picking up useful players on free's in the summer and good contacts should mean you can get some useful season long loans. If you look at McGhee's loan record, it has been OK this season (Henderson and McShane), but some of the others, McCammon, Yelldell, Dolan and the Spurs lad (gone blank) have not exactly produced the goods. Even some of his freebies have been questionable and he seems to be trying to offload them now.

I think at the time Dodd was a good signing, like Rodger and Blackwell, you cannot legislate for injuries. We got a season out of each of them and a player like Butters has been very luck with the injuries.

 

[saltash seagull]

Ah, I see, under 3-5-2, we're not going to concede corners! What an amazing transformation moving players a few yards on the pitch brings!

Sorry, no one with an ounce of common sense is buying this.

The first goal was not Hammond's fault, it was a fluke. With perhaps a bit of misfortune of Lynch slipping thrown in. But the truth is fluke goals like that are undefendable. The second goal was a bad defensive error by a good young player, which happens alas because McGhee has to rely too much on young players who are not perhaps quite 100% ready for this level of football.

i never said the 1st goal was hammonds fault or that we wouldn't concede corners i said that we need to try and cut down on the balls in to the danger zone by closing down ect i pointed out you said hammond had been bought on to tighten the left up! where was he ? nowhere to be seen when bell put the ball over that somehow ended up in the net? surely any1 can see we need to try and sort the defence out we are conceding far 2 many goals! they need to close down quicker in midfield the full backs need to try and cut out crooses a lot more

 

[Sid James]

In reality modern day football does not need to be about fees, the Bosman ruling saw to that. Good contacts within the game should lead to picking up useful players on free's in the summer and good contacts should mean you can get some useful season long loans. If you look at McGhee's loan record, it has been OK this season (Henderson and McShane), but some of the others, McCammon, Yelldell, Dolan and the Spurs lad (gone blank) have not exactly produced the goods. Even some of his freebies have been questionable and he seems to be trying to offload them now.

I think at the time Dodd was a good signing, like Rodger and Blackwell, you cannot legislate for injuries. We got a season out of each of them and a player like Butters has been very luck with the injuries.

Yeates, but what have some dodgy loan signings in previous ( successful ! ) seasons got to do with this ( unsuccessful, so far ) season, where you acknowledge that we have good players on loan ? Either he has good 'contacts' or he doesn't. I also think you oversell this contacts idea. Not that I know, but my guess is that money talks when signing players, not how well you know them or their agent or current manager.

That said if you believe he is failing to attract talent how many players do you think we are short of a squad capable of competing in this division ?

 

[Uncle Buck]

i never said the 1st goal was hammonds fault or that we wouldn't concede corners i said that we need to try and cut down on the balls in to the danger zone by closing down ect i pointed out you said hammond had been bought on to tighten the left up! where was he ? nowhere to be seen when bell put the ball over that somehow ended up in the net? surely any1 can see we need to try and sort the defence out we are conceding far 2 many goals! they need to close down quicker in midfield the full backs need to try and cut out crooses a lot more

Listen he is using one goal, conceded at a set piece, as an example as to why a change of system would not work, rather than looking at the number that have been conceded from open play due to the defence not being protected. He is in a corner.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Yeates, but what have some dodgy loan signings in previous ( successful ! ) seasons got to do with this ( unsuccessful, so far ) season, where you acknowledge that we have good players on loan ? Either he has good 'contacts' or he doesn't. I also think you oversell this contacts idea. Not that I know, but my guess is that money talks when signing players, not how well you know them or their agent or current manager.

That said if you believe he is failing to attract talent how many players do you think we are short of a squad capable of competing in this division ?

I think the contacts issue is one that is a concern. He keep bleating in the press that they tried to sign so and so and it did not happen. Yet in the past we have been able to get players down here with minimal fuss, Sidwell, Barratt, Roberts, Ingarmarson, Rougier etc and you have to pressume working under similar if not worse constraints. When was the last time we have signed a player for 6 figures and then put a similar bid in for another one? Probably in the Barry Lloyd days.

 

[Sid James]

I think the contacts issue is one that is a concern. He keep bleating in the press that they tried to sign so and so and it did not happen. Yet in the past we have been able to get players down here with minimal fuss, Sidwell, Barratt, Roberts, Ingarmarson, Rougier etc and you have to pressume working under similar if not worse constraints. When was the last time we have signed a player for 6 figures and then put a similar bid in for another one? Probably in the Barry Lloyd days.

How many players do you think we are short of a squad capable of competing in this division ?

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

How many players do you think we are short of a squad capable of competing in this division ?

Definitely 2.

A striker and Central Midfielder in the Dennis Wise/Jim Magilton type mould.

At a push 3 for an experienced left back.

 

[Uncle Buck]

How many players do you think we are short of a squad capable of competing in this division ?

I think the left back area is something we have never sorted, I do believe that we need an experience head up front, probably a designated holding player in the midfield and too be honest a specialist right back. The fact that we only have one full back in the squad has been an issue and McGhee seems to have view these positions like a school sports teacher, that they do not overly matter and just shove the players that are left over in there, once you have filled all the other positions.

 

[Sid James]

Definitely 2.

A striker and Central Midfielder in the Dennis Wise/Jim Magilton type mould.

At a push 3 for an experienced left back.

I would agree with the numbers, but probably add another ( pacier ) central defender as well.

That is funny though because on this thread this morning you said:

"The SQUAD is GOOD enough. The Manager ISNT. Plain and Simple."

Sorry it's a bit petty, but are we short of players or not ?

 

[Sid James]

I think the left back area is something we have never sorted, I do believe that we need an experience head up front, probably a designated holding player in the midfield and too be honest a specialist right back. The fact that we only have one full back in the squad has been an issue and McGhee seems to have view these positions like a school sports teacher, that they do not overly matter and just shove the players that are left over in there, once you have filled all the other positions.

But you would still acknowledge that the squad is probably 3/4 players light, two of which are in key positions in the spine of the team ?

 

[Rougvie]

But you would still acknowledge that the squad is probably 3/4 players light, two of which are in key positions in the spine of the team ?

I've always thought we are short of a combative midfielder and a striker, not much else, although earlier in the season a left back would have been nice.

You have to question the ability of the manager to bring half decent players in, or at the very least try to replace the ones you have sold, after all, we didnt give them away for free did we ??

There are plenty of battlers in League 1/ League 2 who would come here, you just have to go out and look for them, rather than wait for the faxes and video tapes that come in from agents.

McGhee likes agents tho.

 

[saltash seagull]

I think the left back area is something we have never sorted, I do believe that we need an experience head up front, probably a designated holding player in the midfield and too be honest a specialist right back. The fact that we only have one full back in the squad has been an issue and McGhee seems to have view these positions like a school sports teacher, that they do not overly matter and just shove the players that are left over in there, once you have filled all the other positions.

one school team i was in was picked out of a hat! the way mm changes the players round wonder if he sits at home doing that! a

 

[Uncle Buck]

But you would still acknowledge that the squad is probably 3/4 players light, two of which are in key positions in the spine of the team ?

With the players we have, with the correct management, the correct system and everyone of them knowing their job, there was enough within this squad to stay up. Every squad has shortcomings, look at Chelsea, every summer they are linked with getting a 25 goal striker.

 

[Sid James]

I've always thought we are short of a combative midfielder and a striker, not much else, although earlier in the season a left back would have been nice.

You have to question the ability of the manager to bring half decent players in, or at the very least try to replace the ones you have sold, after all, we didnt give them away for free did we ??

There are plenty of battlers in League 1/ League 2 who would come here, you just have to go out and look for them, rather than wait for the faxes and video tapes that come in from agents.

McGhee likes agents tho.

Fairly key positions though aren't they ! Not sure a battler from the lower reaches is going to cut it this league either or everyone would be buying them, shit I'll do a job if they want a battler.

So he's crooked as well as crap then is he ?