[Albion] Maupay stats vs other PL strikers this season

[Super Steve Earle]

I defiantly think we need competition for Maupay [emoji106] But is surprising how his stats aren’t quite as bad as other strikers when you compare them.

Hardly defiant. I think most would agree he needs competition for his place.

 

[sully]

I doubt Bamford will. He's on 14. Ings is about the only one in the past decade. Bamford's had a cracking season but, as good as we've been at creating chances, Leeds have created far more. The only other forwards in the bottom half of the PL that have more goals than Maupay this season are Bamford and Callum Wilson. So Maupay's 8 isn't quite as bad as you claim, although I do accept that he should have bagged a few more, and isn't exactly challenging for PotS despite being one of the few players to have played most of the season.

It could equally be argued that if the strikers at the bottom half teams converted more of their chances they wouldn’t be bottom half teams. It’s an impossible conundrum!

All that the stats tell us is that when Danny Ings scored 20 and was in a bottom half team, none of his team mates were contributing many.

 

[whosthedaddy]

Neil Maupay is an excellent player for the way Potter wants us to play, he links up play well and is a nuisance to any defence, it's just his lack of clinical finishing at this high level that is stopping him becoming the ultimate hero to the Albion fans.

You can see he really cares and is passionate about doing his best for us, I have no qualms about that side of him at all. I hope he continues to progress under Potter and has an even better 2021/2022 season, he deserves it.

 

[Jim in the West]

The xG stats suggest he's missed a few, but he's by no means the worst. His figures show he's under-performed by 3.63 goals. Compare that to:

Werner (!) -6.14
De Bruyne -4.82
Firminio -4.52
Antonio -4.41
Vardy - 4.00
Martial -3.41
Watkins - 3.01

 

[Napper]

He got 10 last year and needs 3 more to better that.

A guaranteed 10+ goals in the prem (if thats even a thing ) costs you well north of 25 million.

Age 24 so if improves again next season will be edging towards 15 a season...... Gold dust.

If all the front 3 bagged 10 and a few more from midfield then we would be absolutely fine.

He's missed too many this year and should of had more but don't underestimate the value of a striker who can pretty much guarantee you 10 + a season and is always fit.

If we went down , there would be plenty wanting to take him

 

[blockhseagull]

Maupay’s misses are put in the spotlight more because we generally don’t get goals from many other players apart from Dunk.

Kane misses several similar chances most games, yet he is considered one of the best strikers in the PL.

Difference is when Kane misses 2 sitters then Son or Bale score a couple which takes the focus off him. With Maupay he is often the only one who shoots or takes on a chance and so therefore is in the firing line.

I also agree wholeheartedly with the poster who said his issue is actually getting himself into better goal scoring positions because I think that is where he is falling short. Too often he makes the wrong choice or takes an extra touch which he hasn’t got time for that means the shot he then takes is considerably more difficult.

 

[vagabond]

Now we’ve all sworn and been a bit pissed off with the guy of late. But taking a detached look at the current PL top goal scorers and it’s surprising to see Maup is really not doing so bad.

He’s currently on 8 PL goals this season.

So let’s look at who else is on 8 goals:
- Sadio Mane
- Maddison
- Gabriel Jesus
- Cavani

And on 9:
- Raheem Sterling
- Mahrez

And 10 (which not that far away really)
- Iheanacho
- Zaha
- Ings
- Rashford

These are all mega multi million stars many would love us to sign. Yet despite our collective exasperation our boy Maupay is holding it down with all these guys.

Maybe he doesn’t need replacing. He needs other forwards to complement him and/or compete with him next season.

Food for thought.

 

[Rugrat]

Now we’ve all sworn and been a bit pissed off with the guy of late. But taking a detached look at the current PL top goal scorers and it’s surprising to see Maup is really not doing so bad.

He’s currently on 8 PL goals this season.

So let’s look at who else is on 8 goals:
- Sadio Mane
- Maddison
- Gabriel Jesus
- Cavani

And on 9:
- Raheem Sterling
- Mahrez

And 10 (which not that far away really)
- Iheanacho
- Zaha
- Ings
- Rashford

These are all mega multi million stars many would love us to sign. Yet despite our collective exasperation our boy Maupay is holding it down with all these guys.

Maybe he doesn’t need replacing. He needs other forwards to complement him and/or compete with him next season.

Food for thought.

How about taking away the pens and then comparing? Also how about minutes per goal (excluding pens)?

I've no idea what it looks like, or indeed how relevant it is

 

[HastingsSeagull]

As a number 2 or number 3 striker we’d be happy. As our only realistic option other than a single youngster in Connolly who’s shown himself to not be up to standard YET, or wide forwards like Welbeck and Zeqiri playing centrally then he’s not ideal.

One quality signing and the pressure would be off Maupay as he’d become the strike partner when needed or the back-up with plenty of game time and an important squad role rather than the most vital and pressured player in the squad.

 

[Dancin Ninja BHA]

It's all very well saying that he is only a few goals away from other 'better' strikers in the Premier League

But what you are not taking into account is his inability to take, more often than not, the chances that come his way.

He has missed a HATFUL this season, and if you cannot admit that, then you are in denial.

Hold up play, linking etc is good. But the issue I have with him is his lack of confidence in front of goal, how he snatches at chances and misses when he is better placed to actually score. I think he has been 5 out of 10 this season at best (personal opinion I know)

 

[andy1980]

https://understat.com/player/3621
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https://understat.com/player/3294
https://understat.com/player/618
https://understat.com/player/750

As you can see Maupays xg is the worst of the players on 8 or 9 goals,and it is even worse than last season.

 

[Silverhatch]

Strikers are shite when their confidence is shite. Werner (25) is (currently) missing sitters and Iheanacho (24) was considered not fit to lace Vardy’s boots just 10 weeks ago. Maupay’s confidence is shot but at just 24 he is not finished. Right now his touch is SO off and his finishing is SO off but the bloke doesn’t hide. Neal needs the summer off. Think he’ll be better with full stadiums too.

(And yes, he has missed a hat full of chances)

 

[andy1980]

Strikers are shite when their confidence is shite. Werner (25) is (currently) missing sitters and Iheanacho (24) was considered not fit to lace Vardy’s boots just 10 weeks ago. Maupay’s confidence is shot but at just 24 he is not finished. Right now his touch is SO off and his finishing is SO off but the bloke doesn’t hide. Neal needs the summer off. Think he’ll be better with full stadiums too.

His xg was better last season so you might be right.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Just looking at his goals scored or even xG in isolation really isn't helpful. If you look at his teamplay stats you start to see how vital he is to the way Potter plays football. To take just a few examples from [MENTION=38362]vagabond[/MENTION] 's list:

Maupay has 2 assists, the same number as Zaha and Cavani.
Maupay has 19.29 passes per match, more than Ings and Cavani, just less than Zaha (circa 24) and much less than Mahrez (38 ish). A clear indicator that he's a team player more than a solid number 9 but that he is not the ONLY decent attacking option (Zaha) or playing for Man City as practically an attacking option with a free role (Mahrez).
Maupay has 6 big chances created, double Wilf and Ings on 3, more than Cavani on 4 and one less than Mahrez's 7.

So, I'll say it again. He needs a finisher playing WITH him, not replacing him. For all those who point out that TB is a stats man and will see the team's overall progress would you replace a player who creates more chances than Zaha, scores a similar number of goals and makes a similar number of passes?

I've disagreed a lot with [MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION] recently, but he's spot on when he says we need goals from midfield and the support players. Think about our good chances. How many has Trossard wasted? Lallana? Gross? Connolly? Welbeck? And, to a lesser extent, Biss, who scores some bangers but still needs to learn when to unleash.

Better finishing all round needed and an option of a dirty great number nine to play with Maupay who can stick it away with any body part going, Muzza style. Don't hold your breath though.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

Now we’ve all sworn and been a bit pissed off with the guy of late. But taking a detached look at the current PL top goal scorers and it’s surprising to see Maup is really not doing so bad.

He’s currently on 8 PL goals this season.

So let’s look at who else is on 8 goals:
- Sadio Mane
- Maddison
- Gabriel Jesus
- Cavani

And on 9:
- Raheem Sterling
- Mahrez

And 10 (which not that far away really)
- Iheanacho
- Zaha
- Ings
- Rashford

These are all mega multi million stars many would love us to sign. Yet despite our collective exasperation our boy Maupay is holding it down with all these guys.

Maybe he doesn’t need replacing. He needs other forwards to complement him and/or compete with him next season.

Food for thought.

I think you know as well as many of us that just looking at goals scored like this in isolation does not tell the full story of his season.

In fact, it’s very similar to those who only want to look at how many points we have to judge our progress.

There are so many other metrics to judge Maupay by and he has fallen short on some important ones this season. His final ball and pre-final ball (often through balls) have been poor and his big chance conversion has been very disappointing. Luckily for him, he does a lot of things right that Potter likes: his positional awareness both on and off the ball is usually very good, he can hold the ball up fairly well and his work rate is good. Unfortunately, these metrics aren’t as important as the first two mentioned.

I think you’d be hard pressed to say he’s had a good season, and I’m desperate for him to do well.

 

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

Almost all of that list above is made up of wide players and second choice strikers.

Maupay plays virtually every game up top. He's had an erratic season.

Agree with the view that he needs a better partner to bring the best out of him.

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[amexer]

Hopefully just one of those seasons for him but do know at start of season it would have been a dream come true for him to have had the number of chances he has had. Shows up more because so many of our games decided by odd goal. Also doesnt help that he missed 2 penalties and gave away 1 against United.

 

[Johnny RoastBeef]

Now we’ve all sworn and been a bit pissed off with the guy of late. But taking a detached look at the current PL top goal scorers and it’s surprising to see Maup is really not doing so bad.

He’s currently on 8 PL goals this season.

So let’s look at who else is on 8 goals:
- Sadio Mane
- Maddison
- Gabriel Jesus
- Cavani

And on 9:
- Raheem Sterling
- Mahrez

And 10 (which not that far away really)
- Iheanacho
- Zaha
- Ings
- Rashford

These are all mega multi million stars many would love us to sign. Yet despite our collective exasperation our boy Maupay is holding it down with all these guys.

Maybe he doesn’t need replacing. He needs other forwards to complement him and/or compete with him next season.

Food for thought.

Penalties and teams differing style of play will skew like for like comparisons, but np:G-xG (Non-Penalty Goals minus Non-Penalty Expected Goals) is a great stat for judging players goalscoring ability.

Here are the np:G-xG stats for the past 3 seasons for Maupay and the players you listed. A high positive number indicates higher scoring ability or at least better goalscoring form.

Maupay -4.4, -1.1, n/a

Mane -5.2, +4.2, +5.9
Maddison +4.2, +1.1, +0.1
Jesus +0.5, -3.7, -2.4
Cavani +1.4, -3.9, +1.3
Sterling -0.5, +4.9, +3.9
Mahrez +3.6, +3.6, +2.2
Iheanacho +4.5, +0.2, -1.4
Zaha +2.9, -1.3, +3.5
Ings +2.3, +5.8, -2.4
Rashford +1.4, -0.2, +0.6

I can only assume Sadio Mane caught Covid this season, his stats are so bad. Maybe the same is true for Maupay?

 

[Audax]

How about taking away the pens and then comparing? Also how about minutes per goal (excluding pens)?

I've no idea what it looks like, or indeed how relevant it is

And how many chances have each of those players had? How many scored vs how many missed?

Given how many opportunities we've given to Maupay (a lot squandered without even getting a shot off), my gut feel is that if we dig beneath the headline "goals scored" stat and into the deeper performance metrics we might find that he doesn't actually stand up to comparison with those other players.

Edit: Post above mine actually went and got the numbers. Of course, now the anti-xG brigade will be jumping in...

Edit 2: I agree with others in this thread that Maupay could / should make an excellent #2 striker feeding and playing off an out-and-out finisher. I have a feeling the pressure of being the #1 striker is getting to him, his confidence when it comes to making that final ball count is shot. The rest of his play is generally really impressive and he has the potential to be an amazing part of a top-10 push next season with the right partner.

 

[zefarelly]

Almost all of that list above is made up of wide players and second choice strikers.

Maupay plays virtually every game up top. He's had an erratic season.

Agree with the view that he needs a better partner to bring the best out of him.

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I was reading yesterday the reason Ihaenacho has sparked to life is Brendan Rogers has twigged and partnered him with VArdy and they have clicked . . . . . IF we can sign a striker/forward player to complement Maupay we could be on the money. It's pretty obvious at the moment we don't have that player, or it hasn't clicked yet.