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HampshireSeagulls

Moulding Generation Z
Jul 19, 2005
5,264
Bedford
The Muslim Council try to distance themselves from the fundamentalists and have tried to persuade them to negotiate, but it's a bit like trying to persuade a snake not to bite. It doesn't care about having a nice friendly chat, and even if you sit down with it at a table, it's main objective is to bite you.

The Muslims, in general, do not support this sort of action, but that's not the story that some elements of the media want to peddle - they like to take photos of the extremists and pretend that they are "90%" of Muslims in this country. Any polls taken by the Express or the Mail should be taken with at least half a tonne of salt. The fundamentalist bomb is not discriminatory - it kills everyone regardless of race, age or religion. As far as they are concerned, everyone is meaningless as they attempt to achieve their single objective.

By the same token, we need to realise that this is not something which can be negotiated away, and our elected fat cats need to do something about it - and quickly. Arresting every single Asian is not going to work, but some realistic Homeland Security needs to be implemented. ID cards is not the way ahead, it's too slow and too easy to circumvent. Judicious application of anti-terrorist legislation, along with Security Service wiretaps and evidence collection (that can be used in court and not over-ridden by lawyers) should be a start, and proper jail sentences should be applied. Reverting to the old "IRA" rules would be uncomfortable, but a damn site less uncomfortable than being involved in a nail bombing.
 




Beach Hut

Brighton Bhuna Boy
Jul 5, 2003
72,315
Living In a Box
Reverting to the old "IRA" rules would be uncomfortable, but a damn site less uncomfortable than being involved in a nail bombing.

I am sure a lawyer would manage to win a case of racialism if Muslims were randomly searched by the police everytime they had a rucksack.
 










HampshireSeagulls

Moulding Generation Z
Jul 19, 2005
5,264
Bedford
they would, as they did when it was anti-Irish in the 1970s/80s, but it didn't stop you doing it.


It was, but it was the only realistic way of approaching the problem. The snag here is that the IRA tended to be, well, Irish - their accents gave it away (no, not all of them have a leprechaun on their shoulder). Trying to profile a Muslim is not that simple! Your average IRA member was also not wired to self destruct when questioned - this lot could well be.
 








Beach Hut

Brighton Bhuna Boy
Jul 5, 2003
72,315
Living In a Box
Trying to imply the muslim population has only been here for 10 years? very naive.

That's what I thought as well although I suppose you could argue the case that Labour took us to war however I think any Political Party of the mainstream ones would have done.
 


bigc

New member
Jul 5, 2003
5,740
That's what I thought as well although I suppose you could argue the case that Labour took us to war however I think any Political Party of the mainstream ones would have done.

I thought people like Algie would have supported the war, certainly wasn't in the "Muslims" best interests.

Regardless, the issue probably doesn't come from the UK being a multi cultural society. It's far more complex than that, far more complex.
 


algie

The moaning of life
Jan 8, 2006
14,713
In rehab
Trying to imply the muslim population has only been here for 10 years? very naive.

Just like the failed suicide bombers from Somaila.Guess what? They were allowed to flee there war torn country and good old labour allows these sort of people in,Gave them benefits,homes etc,money and the reward? Try to blow up London.Wake up
 




bigc

New member
Jul 5, 2003
5,740
I'm sure you're no expert on the situation in Somalia...

Anyway, refugee influx from Somalia was in the mid 1990s, pre Labour.
 


butchy

Well-known member
Jul 24, 2005
1,953
Bethnal Green, E2
I thought people like Algie would have supported the war, certainly wasn't in the "Muslims" best interests.

Regardless, the issue probably doesn't come from the UK being a multi cultural society. It's far more complex than that, far more complex.

Of course it is but the threat is heightened in this country due to the fact that we are largely multi-cultural. There have been successes but there is also a huge problem in integrating muslims, increasingly those of 2nd and 3rd generations. Our involvement in Iraq hasn't helped matters either.
 


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