Massive government U-turn on Covid restrictions

[Chicken Run]

Read the thread before commenting then!

Stop getting wound up just because you got called out [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

 

[Guinness Boy]

Surely if you apply the handbrake suddenly you perform a massive U turn??

 

[Marty___Mcfly]

In the media questioning BJ really couldn't justify sticking to changing the advice that people should work from home if possible.

The medical bod was asked whether we should still be unlocking restrictions like that and he made a point of defending re-opening schools as a priority and then said that we cannot carry on opening up other things without consequences.

I get the impression the medical bods are not on board with encouraging people to go back to the office, get on public transport etc!

It's a tricky balance to strike, but after many months of restrictions I personally feel that people's social contact IS a priority, and is possibly more of a priority than getting people back to office so Pret can sell sandwiches to them.

And when pubs restaurants etc are open but people are told they cant visit friends and families in their gardens I feel again maybe the balance is not right.

I guess there is no ideal solution but maybe the priorities need to be re-assessed

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Surely if you apply the handbrake suddenly you perform a massive U turn??

Only if your brakes are badly worn on one side.

 

[Notters]

I live pretty close to Bradford (about a 20 minute drive) but having measured on the map, the end of my garden is actually only 390m from the district boundary

I'm not sure I'd describe it as a U-turn.

It's exactly what we were told would happen if/when infection rates started to rise.

I've had my fingers hovering over a new thread about when we would see infections rising again, as it has seemed inevitable to me, based on the loosening that has taken place.

All strikes me as very sensible, right now.

I agree, though I'm not sure announcing it on Twitter, just to people who follow Matt Hancock, just before Eid, is very sensible.

 

[beorhthelm]

i thought this was stated policy, if cases rise openings wont occur.

faceplam advise is daft though, really just opens them to ridicule.

 

[pb21]

Whitty has said that we have basically reached peak unlockdown. I guess that means crowds at sports events won't be happening until we have a very effective treatment and/or a vaccine

 

[keaton]

Out of all this it's definitely Wozza everyone should be pissed off with and who made a mistake

 

[Poojah]

Whitty has said that we have basically reached peak unlockdown. I guess that means crowds at sports events won't be happening until we have a very effective treatment and/or a vaccine

I think exactly that. The reality is, I’m sure pubs etc. opened up with the best of intentions of enforcing social distancing but that soon dissipates. After a short while, people begin to ignore the rules to a point where there’s not much you can do and you give up trying. Anyone with kids has been there; “yes they’re tearing the fúcking house apart but I need a break so they can do their worse as far as I’m concerned”.

I’ve been optimistic throughout, but it was always going to lead to this. I’m now of the opinion that there’s no true way out of this without a vaccine. It’s not all doom and gloom though - there seems to be genuine confidence in a viable, widely available vaccine within the next three to six months. We just need to keep a lid on cases and deaths in the interim, which, and I don’t often credit this government, we appear to be very determined to do.

Balancing the economy with public safety is no easy thing to do however, and it’s easy implore the government to take a ‘lives first’ approach when you’re in a job that’s relatively unaffected by the crisis so far. There will be casualties, be it financial or physical (or even both), we just need to tread the tightrope as carefully as possible for what may not be as long as many think.

 

[dazzer6666]

‘Government does exactly what it said it would do in reaction to concern over rising infection rates, and takes sensible and proportionate action to mitigate further spread’

 

[vegster]

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[vegster]

I think exactly that. The reality is, I’m sure pubs etc. opened up with the best of intentions of enforcing social distancing but that soon dissipates. After a short while, people begin to ignore the rules to a point where there’s not much you can do and you give up trying. Anyone with kids has been there; “yes they’re tearing the fúcking house apart but I need a break so they can do their worse as far as I’m concerned”.

I’ve been optimistic throughout, but it was always going to lead to this. I’m now of the opinion that there’s no true way out of this without a vaccine. It’s not all doom and gloom though - there seems to be genuine confidence in a viable, widely available vaccine within the next three to six months. We just need to keep a lid on cases and deaths in the interim, which, and I don’t often credit this government, we appear to be very determined to do.

Balancing the economy with public safety is no easy thing to do however, and it’s easy implore the government to take a ‘lives first’ approach when you’re in a job that’s relatively unaffected by the crisis so far. There will be casualties, be it financial or physical (or even both), we just need to tread the tightrope as carefully as possible for what may not be as long as many think.

Firstly, this government seems to have a rather liberal view on what is an " acceptable " level of deaths. Secondly, quite quickly, the government realised that the economy was more important than that liberal acceptable level of deaths.

I have gone back to work recently and have had to sign a document stating that I know and understand Covid transmission and the measures that have to be taken to minimise the risk to myself and others and that I fully understand the necessity of PPE and social distancing at all times and the methods of safe disposal of PPE. Where I work I have to be well within the 1m+ guidelines with at least one other worker to do the job and we have recently been told that they are not supplying the N95 face masks as they are too expensive and we downgrade to a less effective ( cheaper ) mask.... the N95 masks were rather good but we were told to use only one a working week. It is of course, a pathetic attempt from Head Office to cover their arses in case someone dies and the family sue.

 

[beorhthelm]

Firstly, this government seems to have a rather liberal view on what is an " acceptable " level of deaths. Secondly, quite quickly, the government realised that the economy was more important than that liberal acceptable level of deaths.

I have gone back to work recently and have had to sign a document stating that I know and understand Covid transmission and the measures that have to be taken to minimise the risk to myself and others and that I fully understand the necessity of PPE and social distancing at all times and the methods of safe disposal of PPE. Where I work I have to be well within the 1m+ guidelines with at least one other worker to do the job and we have recently been told that they are not supplying the N95 face masks as they are too expensive and we downgrade to a less effective ( cheaper ) mask.... the N95 masks were rather good but we were told to use only one a working week. It is of course, a pathetic attempt from Head Office to cover their arses in case someone dies and the family sue.

report to HSE if you feel its inappropriate, you cant sign away statutory responsibilities of the company.

 

[vegster]

report to HSE if you feel its inappropriate, you cant sign away statutory responsibilities of the company.

It is obviously inappropriate but we have now entered a " Buyers " market when it comes to jobs and working practices, my co-worker is happy to work an 8 hour day WITHOUT breaks and his hours are shown on our rota as 07.00 - 15.00 . So, at almost 60 years old, do I risk getting sacked from my job which is marginally above minimum wage with a less than glowing reference on principle or do I stick it out as usual and hope i don't die In-Service ?

 

[beorhthelm]

It is obviously inappropriate but we have now entered a " Buyers " market when it comes to jobs and working practices, my co-worker is happy to work an 8 hour day WITHOUT breaks and his hours are shown on our rota as 07.00 - 15.00 . So, at almost 60 years old, do I risk getting sacked from my job which is marginally above minimum wage with a less than glowing reference on principle or do I stick it out as usual and hope i don't die In-Service ?

that would be unfair dismissal if they sacked you, use your legal rights.

 

[Stuart Munday]

Our neighbour is a Deputy Head in London and despite what we are hearing from the Government, as it stands his school will not be able to fully reopen in September and he believes that will be the case for a number of others as well.

 

[keaton]

Our neighbour is a Deputy Head in London and despite what we are hearing from the Government, as it stands his school will not be able to fully reopen in September and he believes that will be the case for a number of others as well.

The DfE have spent a lot of time talking to schools and local authorities about how they can safely plan school transport for September. This was about to be agreed and shared but the Treasury have said it's too expensive. There is a balance between cost and lives and it seems like they've decided the economy wins

 

[Wozza]

Out of all this it's definitely Wozza everyone should be pissed off with and who made a mistake

LOL. Will someone ready the noose!

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Our neighbour is a Deputy Head in London and despite what we are hearing from the Government, as it stands his school will not be able to fully reopen in September and he believes that will be the case for a number of others as well.

A full month to swot up on how other countries are rising to the challenge tho eh?

 

[daveinplzen]

that would be unfair dismissal if they sacked you, use your legal rights.

Whilst you have them. They may be different in January.