It amazes me people have this belief about “winning the ball”….it’s irrelevant and has absolutely nothing to do with the laws regarding fouls.
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[Football] Mason Holgate.
- Thread starter lawros left foot
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Good lord.
Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
Got to condemn racism wherever it crops up.
That tackle was appalling irrespective of Holgate's skin tone.
That tackle was appalling irrespective of Holgate's skin tone.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Holgate's tackle and the racism directed at Holgate are two separate things.
Intentionally or not, Holgate and Sheffield United are conflating the two.
The racism should not be allowed to lessen or detract from Holgate's foul. The FA should guard against giving Holgate a lesser punishment for his foul, based on sympathy for him being a victim of a different crime.
Intentionally or not, Holgate and Sheffield United are conflating the two.
The racism should not be allowed to lessen or detract from Holgate's foul. The FA should guard against giving Holgate a lesser punishment for his foul, based on sympathy for him being a victim of a different crime.
- Aug 24, 2020
- 7,143
How many billions of Asians are there in the world? Have you met them all?
rebel51
Well-known member
He's probably not met them all I admit, but crying out loud he's allowed an opinion. It's usually assumed that it's the white bloke that has done the dirty deed.
METALMICKY
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- Jan 30, 2004
- 6,838
My point entirely!
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
All those moaning about no apology, we don't know whether he has apologised to Mitoma or not. That's between the two of them.
The racist abuse is an unacceptable stand alone issue. Hope there are investigations into the worst of it and action taken. There was a piece reabout footballers and social media on the news yesterday and they focused on Neal Maupay and the death threats he received after the collision with Leno.
The racist abuse is an unacceptable stand alone issue. Hope there are investigations into the worst of it and action taken. There was a piece reabout footballers and social media on the news yesterday and they focused on Neal Maupay and the death threats he received after the collision with Leno.
I think it is fair to expect more than just a private apology (and the in-club ones) in sport at this level. It's a bad example to set to say that just apologising to your team and (possibly) a private apology is acceptable for a professional sportsperson.
So am I right in thinking you believe this is being raised by Holgate/Sheffield to try and reduce his punishment? Personally, I don't see this as conflating the issues at all. Wilder has already said that Holgate has to take responsibility for his actions and he seemed to accept in this day and age, it is a sending off offence. The ban will be based on the ref's report, not some panel. He's got a three game ban.
What do you think is worse, the tackle or the racism?
smillie's garden
Am I evil?
- Aug 11, 2003
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Mason Holgate did a shit tackle that could have seriously injured Mitoma, and he deserves criticism and punishment for that tackle.
Racism is a scourge against humanity, and is never acceptable.
E,g: If racism is added to criticise a football tackle, anything, even serial killing, ffs; it renders that criticism invalid.
Racism is a scourge against humanity, and is never acceptable.
E,g: If racism is added to criticise a football tackle, anything, even serial killing, ffs; it renders that criticism invalid.
smillie's garden
Am I evil?
- Aug 11, 2003
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Oh wow! Are you that bloke I heard down the pub, expounding on how the Arabs traded slaves?
nicko31
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So much abuse online comes from outside the UK.
Neal Maupay's abuse was covered on BBC R4 today programme this morning (that Arsenal win during lockdown)
Unfortunately all sorts of old tosh is reinforced by the wing men on Sky sports. These be ex-players who don't know the rules of the game.
Some are convinced that if you touch the ball milliseconds before going through the opponent and delivering a season-ending injury, that's all fine and dandy.
They also have the mind-reading skills of Dynamo with their ability to judge what the players intentions were. A great deal of this is based on prior knowledge of the offender being 'not that sort of player'.
When a player lands his foot down on the foot or ankle of the opponent after the ball has gone, this is reckless and dangerous play deserving one of two cards, based on the perceived level of recklessness and danger. f*** off with your "no intent".
Doesn't in any way deserve racist abuse and those responsible should be sought out and punished.
Does absolutely deserve more than a 3 match ban.
Does absolutely deserve more than a 3 match ban.
Trying to get my head around this statement
The irony of calling out a race for racism has not gone unnoticed.
Sorry, when I said 'irony' I meant racism.
By definition.
We can’t know for sure where it comes from. Just because a profile appears to look a certain way I.e in this case Asian, you don’t know it really is, it’s not hard to write in another language, or use a misleading profile picture. VPN’s can mask location. Plenty of Asian people reside in the UK as well.
I’m only saying this because sometimes you see people saying that as though there aren’t racists in the UK and it’s the problem of other countries being inflicted upon us, when I don’t think it’s true at all. (Not that I think you were saying that).