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Mark McGhee totally lost the plot today.



Uncle Spielberg

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Jul 6, 2003
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Fair play to Mark he put his hand up in the interview and said he got it wrong in the second half but not bringing the subs on at 2-1. It desperately needed Carpenter and Oatway to shore up the midfield. Knight should have come on for McPhee at the same time.

It looked like QPR were going to get goals sooner or later and McGhee lost us 3 points today, pure and simple.

It was very basic managerial tactics which suprises me someone of Mark's standing can drop such a clanger.

His bold move of dropping Knight did not pay off either.

Finally it does tend to help if you have your strongest side at the outset. Carpenter, Jarrett and Knight and possiblt Oatway should all have been playing in the 11. Move Virgo to centre back today as we did not have butters, put Mayo at left back and drop Harding as he must be the most overrated footballer of all time.

Hands up on my criticism of Currie. I got that badly wrong, he was miles and miles the best player on the park today.
 










Uncle Spielberg

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Jul 6, 2003
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I am not as gutted as I might be as fair play to QPR they were the best side this season and attacked and looked for goals the whole 90 minutes and were attacking even after they went 3-2 up so thats not as bad as a 0-1 smash and grab raid.

However we need 3 points at home to teams like QPR and with a little managerial nous today we would have walked off with the win.
 




Uncle Spielberg

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Jul 6, 2003
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Cullip is an Albion hero and legend but today he was shockingly bad. He must be in pain and as such we need to things about other options and get the lads op sorted out pdq.
 


itszamora

Go Jazz Go
Sep 21, 2003
7,282
London
Oatway? Please..

Nicolas is several classes above where Oatway will ever be. In fact I would rather play Nicolas, Carpenter, Reid, Hammond or Rodger when fit ahead of Oatway who is not technically gifted enough for this division.

I too was surprised with Mayo at centre-half, however I thought he was better than Cullip who won a lot in the air but gifted them the first goal and lost Furlong for the second.

McPhee and Virgo both looked good up front, however only playing Knight for about six minutes was a mistake I agree.

Carpenter is not fit enough yet for the first 11, and Hinshelwood played quite well so his selection ahead of Jarrett was justified, although again I would have brought the latter on sooner.

As for Currie, he was excellent in the first half but not nearly so effective in the second. Nicolas however oozed class again, we really must try and sign him up permanently.

And contrary to what a lot of people seem to be saying, I thought Harding did OK today. He was not brilliant but was eager to get forward and covered well when needed to at the back. Most of the QPR threat seemed to come down our right in fact.
 


Uncle Spielberg

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Jul 6, 2003
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No, this game needed someone like Oatway to destroy play from midfield. The QPR midfield were very attacking and creative and Oatway would have broken play down which is what he does best. Horses for courses.
 






itszamora

Go Jazz Go
Sep 21, 2003
7,282
London
Gareth Glover said:
No, this game needed someone like Oatway to destroy play from midfield. The QPR midfield were very attacking and creative and Oatway would have broken play down which is what he does best. Horses for courses.

The only issue being that Nicolas does it much better than him and has the added advantage of being able to pass to a Brighton player. At home we should be looking to play proper passing football, something which Oatway is not good at.
 


Kinky Gerbil

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Jul 16, 2003
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Gareth Glover said:
No, this game needed someone like Oatway to destroy play from midfield. The QPR midfield were very attacking and creative and Oatway would have broken play down which is what he does best. Horses for courses.

sorry to disagree but oatway must not be anywhere near the first team
 




jmc

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Jul 11, 2003
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FFS - Charlie wasn't even on the pitch and your STILL slating him. f***ing get behind the team - maybe, overall, todays result was McGhee's fault, but to slate a bloke who has been a great albion servant for the last 5 years or so is bang out of order.....

Two of QPRs goals came about because of bad clearances coming off someones arse - but the finish for the third was excellent...

You're all beginning to sound like Arsenal/Chelsea fans expecting us to whip everyone in this division...time for a reality pill me thinks....
 


Uncle Spielberg

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Jul 6, 2003
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As a disclaimer I must say Mark gets far more right than he gets wrong and is the best manager someone in Albion's position could ever hope to get.
 






Uncle Spielberg

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Jul 6, 2003
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Mark is big enough and ugly enough to cope with a bit of stick from a keyboard geek like me I am sure.
 


skintboy

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Jul 12, 2003
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Eastborne
Agree jmc,if we are going to defend a 2-1 lead and for all of the 2nd half qpr won everything then Charlie is the sort of player 2 bring on,having said that,McGhee was honest enough too admit his mistakes and I was surprised that it took him so long 2 make changes when it was obvious that we were being overrun by Rangers throughout 2nd 45
 


perseus

Broad Blue & White stripe
Jul 5, 2003
23,461
Sūþseaxna
No Red Bull, no wingers either.

But where do McGhee go wrong !!!!

How do you spell Nicolas with a Nicholas, or just fuckin' usless ?

Would we have scored any more with two goals at the east end?
 


West Hoathly Seagull

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Aug 26, 2003
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Sharpthorne/SW11
I thought QPR were a pretty decent side. We have to remember that Plymouth and themselves were streets ahead of the others in the Division last year. QPR were far ahead in quality of Bristol City. I think they only thumped us because our defence fell asleep. Perhaps I was being a little unfair to Cullip (I thought he had a stinker today, but Furlong is a quality striker, even if not up to Premiership standard). It was obvious to me, though, that Hammond was out of his depth today, and either Carpenter or Oatway should have been brought on to chase the ball down a bit more. Also, I would have preferred Currie down the right, Jarrett down the left, and Hinshelwood at Centre Back, with Mayo at Left Back. He clearly is not a Centre Back, and I thought Harding struggled for the whole game.
 




perseus

Broad Blue & White stripe
Jul 5, 2003
23,461
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If Holloway gets the sack, he would be worth signing on as an assistant Manager for a big club with a proper ground.

I think QPR got the run of the ball and a draw would have been a fair result.

Neither side were good on the day. At half-time I thought be played poorly and we would get a win.

For a long time I have said that Danny Culllip would not hack it a centre half and he could play in midfield. I would have really love him to have scored near the end when he appeared in the penalty box at the far end. Except we had nobody good enough to cross the ball.
 
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jmc said:
FFS - Charlie wasn't even on the pitch and your STILL slating him. f***ing get behind the team

Pathetic isn't it. Thank god it was Chippy and not Charlie who came on for the last 10 mins, we'd never hear the end of it otherwise. Won't be long before the idiots start on Chippy though.

My main thought about today is that McGhee protected a point at Watford by subbing Jarrett for Harding - good move.

Today we had a point wrapped up but 5 mins from the end we went for broke, removed our entire central midfield and went for it.

For all those who've been calling fors us to be "more attacking at home" - well, now you see what you get.

O points instead of 1 point, and 3 points handed to relegation rivals.

I've a lot of respect for McGhee but today I think he listened too much to those siren voices calling for all-out attack.

But I think McGhee will learn the lessons.

Mayo was a good call, McPhee was a good call. QPR's equaliser was a very good goal, they outpassed our midfield - no complaints. The winner was a goal disorganised teams give away - and that's not good enough.
 


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