Marijuana kills cancer cells, confirms US government.

[dingodan]

the pickle isn't quite what is being portrayed. they are saying that its not appropriate to refer to Sativex as its a commercial name and they only want to have the generic compound name used. i'm not sure the source completely accurate anyway as schedule 4 lists the punishments for offenses, i'm pretty sure schedule 2, controlled drugs, is intended.

No, it's recommended for schedule 4, so it can be prescribed by a doctor.

& what they are saying is that you cannot amend the Misuse of Drugs Act and refer to a proprietary name, you have to deal with the pharmacological components of the medicine, not it's name.

Sativex is not in anyway pharmacologically different to herbal cannabis. Sativex is whole plant extract. If Sativex is safe, and a medicine, then so to is herbal cannabis from which it is made.

 

[daveinprague]

The laws concerning cannabis have never bothered me. Ive never been arrested for herb in over 30 years. Not entirely sure that legal legislation against nature is that good a plan in the first place. Its not for everybody, and some will fall by the wayside. The same as those who consume 'legal' mind altering substances, but now that states in the US are legalizing, I fully expect the rest of the US, and then the world to follow eventually. Legislation against a plant is pretty ridiculous anyway.

 

[beorhthelm]

No, it's recommended for schedule 4, so it can be prescribed by a doctor.

& what they are saying is that you cannot amend the Misuse of Drugs Act and refer to a proprietary name, you have to deal with the pharmacological components of the medicine, not it's name.

Sativex is not in anyway pharmacologically different to herbal cannabis. Sativex is whole plant extract. If Sativex is safe, and a medicine, then so to is herbal cannabis from which it is made.

i cant see the source at work, but from the extract it says "Misuse of Drugs Act 1971", and if you look that up you'll see very clearly that sch. 4 is concerned with punishments and doesnt contain a single specific drug reference.

if Sativex is the same compound as that in cannabis, it would be covered under "Cannabinol derivatives" under sch.2 Class A. so either its different compound based on cannobinol (almost certainly, otherwise theres no product to patent), or the quote is being misinterpreted to make an invalid point. or possibly both i think. looking it up, it has a name Nabiximols, which wiki says is a mixture of compounds.

by the way your logical conclusion doesnt work because the extract by definition removes other compounds, which may be dangerous harmfull, or simply unpleasent. try ingesting some willow bark next time you have a headache to see what i mean.

 

[dingodan]

i cant see the source at work, but from the extract it says "Misuse of Drugs Act 1971", and if you look that up you'll see very clearly that sch. 4 is concerned with punishments and doesnt contain a single specific drug reference.

if Sativex is the same compound as that in cannabis, it would be covered under "Cannabinol derivatives" under sch.2 Class A. so either its different compound based on cannobinol (almost certainly, otherwise theres no product to patent), or the quote is being misinterpreted to make an invalid point. or possibly both i think. looking it up, it has a name Nabiximols, which wiki says is a mixture of compounds.

by the way your logical conclusion doesnt work because the extract by definition removes other compounds, which may be dangerous harmfull, or simply unpleasent. try ingesting some willow bark next time you have a headache to see what i mean.

Try this:

http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/controlled-drugs

Cannabinol is a weak psychoactive cannabinoid found only in trace amounts in Cannabis sativa and Cannabis indica. It is mostly a metabolite of tetrahydrocannabinol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinol

If you take some cannabinol and extract it's derivatives you will have something that qualifies as a cannabinol derivative.

But what GW are doing is taking the Cannabis Plant, whole and complete, and they are producing a whole plant extract, using Liquid extraction with heat and alcohol, in the same way as hashish or cannabis oil is made.

Sativex is not a compound, it's comprised of many compounds, all of the compounds (and turpenes) extracted from the cannabis plant. Without exception.

You are correct that there is little to patent, but their medicine is standardized in term of THC/CBD ratio, and their method of delivery is currently unique. But I agree, to me it looks like GW didn't think this through particularly well. The cost to patients is around £600pm for this medicine. Bedrocan costs a fraction of the price, a patient being allowed to grow it themselves would cost them nothing, they would have effectively the same medicine just without the spray delivery system.

For the avoidance of doubt, you can watch the entire growing, harvesting and extracting process being done, by GW, in this BBC video.

 

[OzMike]

I've always related psychedelic drugs with personal perception.

When people start flipping out like raging lunatics on cannabis, that's their underlying ill mental health surfacing. Anyone blaming a plant for experiences in relation to Schizophrenia or anxiety issues must understand, cannabis is also raising your awareness of whatever illnesses you are, without knowing, dealing with hence why so many people believe it's medicinal.

Anyone who has suffered from panic attacks, symptoms of schizophrenia, paranoia etc would be very naive to go about their normal day assuming it was just the cannabis which triggered their psychological problems.

The biggest step in healing your problems, is being aware of them.

Could have been the trigger, so best left alone.

 

[OzMike]

'Many people believe that the noise and stress from the indoor equipment used to grow cannabis, creates a stressful life for the plant which will cause people to experience the plants paranoia when consumed.'

What are you on.............................oh I see.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Two inebriates talking in the pub.....
1) " I'm going home to have a spliff with the wife "
2) " Blimey....How do you think she'll take it "
1) " Eh?....In the mouth of course "
2 ) " Bloody hell...you've got some bottle...getting a ' you know what ' and then telling her its all over "
1) " What the hell are you going on about? "
2) " You...you cocky sod....breaking up with the missus but only after you've had a blow-job first "
1) " Are you on drugs or sumthing? "

 

[Diego Napier]

This is the one that really makes me laugh when you hear people who haven't got the first clue of what they are talking about blathering on pityfully about 'superskunk'

Stronger strains of cannabis are an unintended consequence of prohibition. It's actually an argument FOR legalisation and regulation.

Genuine question: can you explain why?

I thought the stronger strain of cannabis was created by crossing two parent plants, like thousands of horticulturists do every day with other legal plant varieties. Wouldn't this have happened regardless of its legality?

 

[dingodan]

Genuine question: can you explain why?

I thought the stronger strain of cannabis was created by crossing two parent plants, like thousands of horticulturists do every day with other legal plant varieties. Wouldn't this have happened regardless of its legality?

Think moonshine.

 

[Megazone]

'Many people believe that the noise and stress from the indoor equipment used to grow cannabis, creates a stressful life for the plant which will cause people to experience the plants paranoia when consumed.'

What are you on.............................oh I see.

Didn't you know plants suffer from noise stress?


Oh I see.

 

[Megazone]

Genuine question: can you explain why?

I thought the stronger strain of cannabis was created by crossing two parent plants, like thousands of horticulturists do every day with other legal plant varieties. Wouldn't this have happened regardless of its legality?

Correct.

 

[OzMike]

Didn't you know plants suffer from noise stress?


Oh I see.

Eating baked beans will never be the same again.

 

[Nibble]

I'm all for a bit of drug use. I have tried most things in the past and don't rule it out again in the future. I have had, on the whole fairly positive experiences with such things. I do however believe that the state a healthy human mind is in naturally ie, not under the influence of mind altering drugs of any description, is likely the healthiest state for humans to be in. I know a few regular dope smokers and they are all depressed and in a permanent state of melancholy.

 

[severnside gull]

Having spent most of my life working with people with educational and behavioural problems I cannot stress enough the harmful impact of weed in promoting paranoia.
Many legal drugs have benefits but have equal or greater unwanted side effects.
Those who campaign for legalisation invariably foresee an entirely unregulated supply based on the benefits whilst ignoring the inherent dangers

 

[Megazone]

Having spent most of my life working with people with educational and behavioural problems I cannot stress enough the harmful impact of weed in promoting paranoia.
Many legal drugs have benefits but have equal or greater unwanted side effects.
Those who campaign for legalisation invariably foresee an entirely unregulated supply based on the benefits whilst ignoring the inherent dangers

Is alcohol okay for the people you're working with?

Paranoia can also be triggered by alcohol, not just weed. Alcohol-psychosis is just as mentally challenging.

 

[Nibble]

Is alcohol okay for the people you're working with?

He's talking specifically about weed, as the thread title suggests. Alcohol brings it's own set of problems.

 

[Megazone]

He's talking specifically about weed, as the thread title suggests. Alcohol brings it's own set of problems.

He was talking about paranoia, which can also be induced by alcohol.

Naivety is also a massive danger when consuming drugs, legal or not.

 

[Nibble]

He was talking about paranoia, which can also be induced by alcohol.

Naivety is also a massive danger when consuming drugs, legal or not.

He was talking about marajuana induced paranoia on a thread about weed. You are, as usual, looking for an argument that just isn't there. But I cannot speak for the other poster so you'll have to ask him.

 

[piersa]

The trouble is, if Marajuana is legalise, there will be many more people starting fights when intoxicated by this horrendous drug. People are just uncontrollable when stoned. A&E will be overflowing with people affected by this drug at the weekend and it will take up valuable police time. The police would be far better employed dealing with the odd person they find intoxicated by alcohol.

 

[Questions]

The trouble is, if Marajuana is legalise, there will be many more people starting fights when intoxicated by this horrendous drug. People are just uncontrollable when stoned. A&E will be overflowing with people affected by this drug at the weekend and it will take up valuable police time. The police would be far better employed dealing with the odd person they find intoxicated by alcohol.

No one has even mentioned the poor sods who run small confectionary shops. Imagine the break ins at night when the marguana addicts realise they need chocolate.