[Football] Marcus Rashford

[LlcoolJ]

I thought that I was fairly left wing, partly as I found myself far to the left of some posters on here. I then did a fairly detailed test to which concluded that I was slightly to the left socially and slightly to the right fiscally...

The problem is that there are a small number of extremely far right posters on here who claim to not be. And they make a lot of noise.

They devalue the genuine argument of those who are centrist or even slightly right wing in their views because they are incredibly stupid and just call anyone who disagrees with their nonsense "lefty snowflakes" or similar.

When you point out that you actually don't support Corbyn or any of the far left nonsense he was pushing, they disappear to a different thread. And then do it again.

You can't educate pork.

 

[Pevenseagull]

'pan seared' ceviche?

 

[Iford Albion]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2YKgfCH_Phk

You haven't met Nelly! She can spell ham.

And she has more social awareness than many gammons.

 

[Bozza]

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There can’t be much margin in that from £12,000,000,000. No tender you say?

I don't actually think £12bn is going Serco's way, based on their recent update given to the LSE...

Serco's trading profit is expected to be £160m and £165m compared with a previous estimate of £135m to £150m, the company said. Full-year revenue is expected to be around £3.9bn - up from £3.7bn previously predicted.​

...which suggests either the £12bn is over a very long time period and/or there are a lot more players involved in the Test, track and trace programme.

<briefly paused writing this post to investigate>

There are 35 organisations who are involved with it:

4 * NHS bodies.
4 * Lighthouse Labs*
4 * Public Health England bodies
The Ministry of Defence.

ACF Technologies – provided software to enable you to book a test at a regional test site
Amazon – provides logistics for home delivery of test kits, collecting completed test kits from homes and delivering them to labs
Amazon Web Services (AWS) – provides digital solution for ordering home test kits
AstraZeneca – analyses samples from the completed test kits
Barcode warehouse – provides bar codes for test kits
Boots – provides testers and test supervisors on regional test sites
Deloitte – manages the registration and appointment booking, provides the capability for users to enter sample bar codes and responsible for holding data captured by the registration system and making it available to the NHS
DHL – collects completed test kits from homes and delivers to labs
EMIS Health – provides Keystone product to enable NPEx to link your test result to your GP record
Experience Lab – provides user or market research for people who have undertaken tests
G4S – provides facilities management for some regional test sites
Jigsaw24 – provides mobile phones and SIMs for the mobile test units apps
Kuenhe + Nagel – Collects completed test kits from homes and delivers to labs
Levy – provides facilities management for some regional test sites
Palantir – analyses anonymised data
Randox – supplies home test kits, analyses the samples, informs you of the result of your Randox home test
Royal Mail Group – collects completed test kits from homes and delivers to labs
Serco -– provides facilities management for some regional test sites”
ServerLabs – builds the “digital solution”
Sodexo – provides testers on regional test sites, and facilities management for some regional test sites
Teleperformance – provides call centre assistance
TransUnion – provides identity verification checks as part of the registration process for a home test kit

* The Lighthouse Labs involves a partnership with Medicines Discovery Catapult, UK Biocentre, the University of Glasgow, GSK, AstraZeneca, the University of Cambridge, and PerkinElmer.

 

[Wardy's twin]

You have your political views, but they appear to me to be very warped. If you really believe those things then you are bound to take the view that you do. But I think the foundation of your views is flawed.

First of all Brexit has to do with where and how decision making takes place. It's as simple as that, you might not like it, but don't make out it's some kind of money making scheme. I'm not wealthy, and Brexit isn't going to change that, does that mean I support leaving the EU because I'm stupid? Reducing regulation (to the extent that regulation is excessive, which at times and in places it is) increases investment, which increases jobs, which increases the likelyhood the someone will be able to depend on themselves instead of the public purse, which in turn means that are a contributor to that purse rather than an expendature, which in turn means that there is more in the public purse available to be spent on public services and used to support people who are unable to support themselves.

When it comes to the economy it isn't the case that it's rich vs poor. The reality is, as the saying goes, "A rising tide lifts all boats".

I agree that the awarding of public sector contracts is shady, it always has been, under every government of every stripe.

Sure, there are some wealthy people who you could look at and question whether they really earned it. But then who are any of us to decide who deserves what? Nobody deserves anything. We still live in a free society, if you want more for yourself, you can go out, work hard, and get it. It's as simple as that.

People in this country are not the victims of some unfair society which is keeping them down, as much as some would like to argue that. Don't fall for the politics of resentment. The opportunities to make something of yourself, no matter who you are or where you come from, are there for you if you want them. If you do want them, then go out and get them. Nobody else should be expected to do it for you, and nobody else should be judged badly because they did it and you didn't.

So because someone has different views to you then they must be warped? You say it matters where decisions are made surely the more rational argument would be about the quality and fairness of those decisions and how they benefit the majority. You argue about the benefits of deregulation and yet it was deregulation that brought about the financial crisis, didn't notice too many benefits coming out of that. I have no issue about everyone putting into the public pot, both socialism and early Christianity covered this, but that should be based on what people can afford. You say its not rich v poor , wake up, it is especially when the rich control HUGELY disproportionate amounts of wealth and are getting richer so that gap is getting bigger and they do it by offshoring and not paying the appropriate level of tax. No issue with the working hard message , but a lot of wealth is not about hard working its about inheritance and wealth generates more wealth. A rising tide lifts all boats but a tsunami smashes everything in its way. Remind me how much better off am I going to be next year?

 

[Wardy's twin]

The response was totally political, a bare handful of Tories found a conscience. Marcus Rashford's actions are merely motivated by a social conscience, we need more people like him.

his actions are motivated by the fact that he has been there and used free school meals and doesn't want other kids to suffer

 

[Invicta]

But what are the logistics of doing that?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-53053337

Supermarket vouchers according to this article, though seems it didn't work that well previously.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

I don't actually think £12bn is going Serco's way, based on their recent update given to the LSE...

£12,000,000,000 should provide trebles all round!

 

[dingodan]

So because someone has different views to you then they must be warped? You say it matters where decisions are made surely the more rational argument would be about the quality and fairness of those decisions and how they benefit the majority. You argue about the benefits of deregulation and yet it was deregulation that brought about the financial crisis, didn't notice too many benefits coming out of that. I have no issue about everyone putting into the public pot, both socialism and early Christianity covered this, but that should be based on what people can afford. You say its not rich v poor , wake up, it is especially when the rich control HUGELY disproportionate amounts of wealth and are getting richer so that gap is getting bigger and they do it by offshoring and not paying the appropriate level of tax. No issue with the working hard message , but a lot of wealth is not about hard working its about inheritance and wealth generates more wealth. A rising tide lifts all boats but a tsunami smashes everything in its way. Remind me how much better off am I going to be next year?

For me a fair tax system isn't one in which people pay what they can afford, it's a system where everyone pays the same. I know that we will just have to disagree about that, and I know mine is a minority view, but it is what it is. Fairness for me is everyone being treated the same.

It's also the case that if you want the public pot to be bigger, which means more of the things you want the government to do are affordable, then you are going to want tax revenues to be as high as possible. Which means you are going to want lower taxes. It's counter intuitive, but low taxes = more tax income for the treasury. High taxes = lower tax income for the treasury.

Regulate and tax in excess and you will have lower revenues and a stagnant economy. If high taxes don't chase business away and discourage investment, then excessive regulation will.

The crisis of 2008 relates specifically to finance, and a discussion about regulations affecting business shouldn't be limited to a discussion about banking regulation which is quite a particular area, although it's also worth noting, deregulation didn't cause the financial crisis of 2008.

There is a lot to unpick here, but it's worth a read if you are interested in the relationship between the regulation of financial services and what happened in 2008.
https://www.cato.org/policy-report/julyaugust-2009/did-deregulation-cause-financial-crisis

 

[Live by the sea]

Is there an opposition player you've admired more than this guy?

Absolute class, on and off the pitch as demonstrated yesterday. World class finish for Man Utd to win them the game, but his heart is with more important things. I'm just sorry to see his campaign flounder at the hands of this incompetent, corrupt government and I hope he continues the good fight.

In case you're unaware, the fact is that the corrupt, incompetent party running the country voted down an amendment not to make school meals, free. Quite happy to give £12 BILLION to a company run by Tory donors (rather than opening it to tender) to build this shit track and trace app despite having no experience in the field, or £1 BILLION to Northern Irish bigots purely to prop up their majority, but a few million to ensure no school kid starves in this pandemic, and apparently they're not made of money.

This government makes me feel embarrassed and ashamed to be English.

Agree about Rashford , agree this govt not doing a great job but the alternative at the time , ie a hard left socialist govt led by comrade Corbyn would have been 100x worse . Never forget that .

Hopefully before the next election. Keir would have purged the Labour Party of all the hard left MP’s, the socialist workers etc and the hard left organisations which will make labour a more sensible party to vote for in the next election .

 

[Klaas]

Agree about Rashford , agree this govt not doing a great job but the alternative at the time , ie a hard left socialist govt led by comrade Corbyn would have been 100x worse . Never forget that .

Hopefully before the next election. Keir would have purged the Labour Party of all the hard left MP’s, the socialist workers etc and the hard left organisations which will make labour a more sensible party to vote for in the next election .

This is getting to be one very old chestnut. I didn't think Corbyn was a good choice as leader of the Labour party. However, I do believe he and his party would have done a better job than these incompetents. And that's being kind. A VERY low bar has been set.

Your 'never forget that' is meaningless, it's just your opinion. It's also utterly irrelevant. This is the Tories' mess.

 

[Cpt. Spavil]

I know but it doesn't mean he will let anyone starve, he can't just go shelling out millions because some high profile football demands it all of the time.
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But the shed out billions for the pile of shit HS2 rail and for other things.

Its good that a footballer has raised the issues as he is high profile, if it was a nobody like you or myself then there wouldn't be any publicity.

This government has been shit the for last 10 years and yet after Brexit I fear it will be worse.

All those unnecessary cuts over the years since 2010 yet we are more in debt and why, the money has probably gone back to the fat cat donators or to the useless Eton educated MP's who only care about there bank balance.

 

[Billy the Fish]

This is getting to be one very old chestnut. I didn't think Corbyn was a good choice as leader of the Labour party. However, I do believe he and his party would have done a better job than these incompetents. And that's being kind. A VERY low bar has been set.

Your 'never forget that' is meaningless, it's just your opinion. It's also utterly irrelevant. This is the Tories' mess.

You only say that because you supported him.

We'll never know for sure but evidence suggests corbyn would've been worse. Look at the mess he was in just trying to appoint a shadow cabinet.
Corbyn proved to be a much worse party leader - labour was hugely divided for his entire time as leader.
Corbyn is a backbench MP, protest party rabble rouser who got the leadership through a quirk of the voting system.

And that's before you get to his policies that the majority don't want.

 

[Klaas]

You only say that because you supported him.

We'll never know for sure but evidence suggests corbyn would've been worse. Look at the mess he was in just trying to appoint a shadow cabinet.
Corbyn proved to be a much worse party leader - labour was hugely divided for his entire time as leader.
Corbyn is a backbench MP, protest party rabble rouser who got the leadership through a quirk of the voting system.

And that's before you get to his policies that the majority don't want.

I guess the phrase 'I didn't think Corbyn was a good choice as leader of the Labour party.' was a bit ambivalent.

Whenever people talk about Corbyn and his policies being 'hard left' I always remember this clip of Gyles Brandreth in Guildford.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7lsRbDKOXg

Anyway, pointless discussion now. He is not in power. The tories are.

 

[Bold Seagull]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-53053337

Supermarket vouchers according to this article, though seems it didn't work that well previously.

Supermarket vouchers weren't the only route available, but it was also a situation where schools were completely closed. If schools remain open and operating, then what has happened even pre-Covid, is that certain schools become a hub, Benfield acted in this way last summer for a local authority scheme that did provide free school meals to certain pupils. The school facilitated this as they were already operating holiday clubs.

I also know one primary school head that during Covid did the rounds and delivered school meals to the eligible kids. I think he ended up walking 6 miles a day or something.

The great thing about school meals is that you have some control over the nutrition. As the article points out, as we've improved the school meal offerings, studies have shown obesity levels drop and achievement rises.

 

[Billy the Fish]

I guess the phrase 'I didn't think Corbyn was a good choice as leader of the Labour party.' was a bit ambivalent.

Nice deflection, I'm quite obviously referring to the part of your post where you say he would've done a better job in charge.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

This is getting to be one very old chestnut. I didn't think Corbyn was a good choice as leader of the Labour party. However, I do believe he and his party would have done a better job than these incompetents. And that's being kind. A VERY low bar has been set.

Your 'never forget that' is meaningless, it's just your opinion. It's also utterly irrelevant. This is the Tories' mess.

A bar he would have failed to clear. Corbyn couldn’t make decision if his life depended on it. Look at his handling of Brexit and the behaviour of momentum. Boris is a bumbling idiot who still thinks he’s at Eton getting up to jolly japes ... the wanker. Corbyn would just sit there spouting ideological bollocks and achieve nothing. Two of the worse political leaders we have ever had!

In summary .... both are useless ********.


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[Klaas]

A bar he would have failed to clear. Corbyn couldn’t make decision if his life depended on it. Look at his handling of Brexit and the behaviour of momentum. Boris is a bumbling idiot who still thinks he’s at Eton getting up to jolly japes ... the wanker. Corbyn would just sit there spouting ideological bollocks and achieve nothing. Two of the worse political leaders we have ever had!

In summary .... both are useless ********.


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Fair.

 

[Klaas]

Nice deflection, I'm quite obviously referring to the part of your post where you say he would've done a better job in charge.

What?? Yes, I think he would have done a better job in comparison to Johnson. That doesn't mean I support him, as I stated. Where's the deflection in that??

 

[Bozza]

Listening to 5Live this morning, it seems that there is a massive movement of businesses and individuals (and, possibly, some local authorities) stepping up today giving commitments to provide food to those who need it, with many on a no-questions-asked approach - if you turn up you will be given a meal.