March for England 2014

[Husty]

You really do appear to be defending one group while being critical of the other. You seemed to suggest that objectively both are as bad as each other, and yet only attack one side.

Rather than ask others for their views, why don't you actually give your own?

Only one side is being championed by other posters in this thread, and I clearly gave my opinion on the entire thing in my first 2 posts.

 

[Husty]

As I strongly oppose racial intolerance and far-right politics, I obviously completely support their cause. I do suspect many of its "members" are in it for the wrong reasons though, but the more people who oppose fascism the better, even if only superficially.

I do believe it's unnecessary for them to turn up at every EDL rally though, all they are really achieving is giving them the visible opposition which they crave. Ignoring them completely would probably have a greater impact.

Ooooo.

Something we agree on.

 

[wellquickwoody]

A lot of relevance...no racist, violent fascists in Brighton, no confrontation by UAF, other groups, and Brighton residents.
Apparently, a lot of people dont like fascists. Shock, horror!!

Not Brightonians born and bred though are they? Stupid student types who do not really understand what life is about yet, half of them are probably vegan still, but they jump on the left wing/green bandwagon and make our town a worse place to be with their ill informed actions.

That is a pain, but such is the innocence of youth. But to have a bloke who doesn't live here, and has not lived here for some time, banging on about how the MFL people are all from out of town somewhat takes the fxxking biscuit.

Serial stirrer/apologist/liberal/communist? Take your pick Dave......

 

[wellquickwoody]

The fascists have hijacked our flags, so that people are reluctant to be proud of them, or display them, in case they are considered far-right, or racists.
Now they want to hijack Englands national day.
People will react to that.

I had that conversation with a social worker about 7/8 years ago, times change, no reason to be embarrassed to be English, even the footy hooligans can be cuddled now.

 

[daveinprague]

Not Brightonians born and bred though are they? Stupid student types who do not really understand what life is about yet, half of them are probably vegan still, but they jump on the left wing/green bandwagon and make our town a worse place to be with their ill informed actions.

That is a pain, but such is the innocence of youth. But to have a bloke who doesn't live here, and has not lived here for some time, banging on about how the MFL people are all from out of town somewhat takes the fxxking biscuit.

Serial stirrer/apologist/liberal/communist? Take your pick Dave......

Whether I bang on about it or not...its not going to change the fact that fascists (although fewer than in the past), will descend on my hometown, from other towns in the UK to commit violence if they are able.
They will be confronted by leftwing anti fascists, as usual, and will be left in no doubt, that they are not wanted in Brighton....

whether I say so or not....am I not even allowed to observe, and comment on issues concerning my home town and where my family live? ? haha but you defend the 'rights' of racist, fascists from other parts of the country with no connection to the city? Brilliant.

I could give you a list of words I could put against the fascists, and fascist facilitators on this board, but I doubt if the the swear filter could cope....

 

[wellquickwoody]

Whether I bang on about it or not...its not going to change the fact that fascists (although fewer than in the past), will descend on my hometown, from other towns in the UK to commit violence if they are able.
They will be confronted by leftwing anti fascists, as usual, and will be left in no doubt, that they are not wanted in Brighton....

whether I say so or not....am I not even allowed to observe, and comment on issues concerning my home town and where my family live? ? haha but you defend the 'rights' of racist, fascists from other parts of the country with no connection to the city? Brilliant.

I could give you a list of words I could put against the fascists, and fascist facilitators on this board, but I doubt if the the swear filter could cope....

But you don't just comment Dave, you procrastinate, again, and again, and again. Your left wing wiews are valid, but so predictable. 'Oh, there's a thread DIP will be on'.

And your views become less relevant the longer you live elsewhere, entirely normal as you lose touch with the day to day reality of life in the UK. MFE, EDL, BNP, whatever......the reality is the lefties looking for a scrap are ill informed youths who are being radical/confrontational for the sake of being seen to be radical. At least footy thugs believe in their cause, as daft as it may be.

 

[melias shoes]

A lot of relevance...no racist, violent fascists in Brighton, no confrontation by UAF, other groups, and Brighton residents.
Apparently, a lot of people dont like fascists. Shock, horror!!

Both of these groups are fascist. You don't have to be far right to be a fascist. The UAF are just as aggressive in their beliefs and won't tolerate anyone else with a different view. That too makes them fascist. Oh and I don't want either of them to come to Brighton. They can both stay away as far as I'm concerned.

 

[daveinprague]

Both of these groups are fascist. You don't have to be far right to be a fascist. The UAF are just as aggressive in their beliefs and won't tolerate anyone else with a different view. That too makes them fascist. Oh and I don't want either of them to come to Brighton. They can both stay away as far as I'm concerned.

If one doesnt come...the other wont come either.
They never used to come...why are racists, and fascists hijacking St Georges day...?

 

[daveinprague]

But you don't just comment Dave, you procrastinate, again, and again, and again. Your left wing wiews are valid, but so predictable. 'Oh, there's a thread DIP will be on'.

And your views become less relevant the longer you live elsewhere, entirely normal as you lose touch with the day to day reality of life in the UK. MFE, EDL, BNP, whatever......the reality is the lefties looking for a scrap are ill informed youths who are being radical/confrontational for the sake of being seen to be radical. At least footy thugs believe in their cause, as daft as it may be.

Procrastinating that I dont want fascists coming to Brighton, for the explicit reason of violence...?
Well, im sorry.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Only one side is being championed by other posters in this thread, and I clearly gave my opinion on the entire thing in my first 2 posts.

No they're not, you're mistaking the vilification of one side as support for the other, that is both the same thing.

 

[MarioOrlandi]

Oh come on, nice sunny Sunday afternoon where is the best place to be . . . . Brighton of course

 

[BN9 BHA]

 

[TheBigUnit]

I can't be the only one who saw the thread title and thought this was some late rallying call for Solly March to be in the England World Cup squad?

Haha, for a split second I did too!
Lol!

 

[London Irish]

I've read my history, thank you. I still think you are a loon for wishing to compare them. The EDL are falling apart. The BNP have lost their way.

It's nothing more than one set of people spoiling for a fight and the others giving them that opportunity.

The UAF don't keep them marginalised! They are marginalised as they serve no purpose whatsoever and everyone realises that.

The BNP, the only party and EDL member should vote for, has managed to gain 2% of the vote (?) in over 30 years of establishment? Worried!

Thanks for calling me a loon. I think you are pretty ignorant of the history of the far right in this country and how street confrontations from Cable Street to Southall have contributed to their demoralisation and fracturing.

 

[Leighgull]

He'd have a long queue in front of him but if he bags a hat trick or more in every one of our remaining fixtures and there was an Ebola outbreak in the England camp then maybe.

 

[cunning fergus]

If one doesnt come...the other wont come either.
They never used to come...why are racists, and fascists hijacking St Georges day...?

It never used to happen did it, this kind of marching for England thing, but I guess times have changed.

Today this country is currently dealing with new challenges, like female genital mutilation, honour killings, forced marriages, sharia courts, and Islamic schools.

The capital on the last census was 45% White British and the favourite boys name is Mohommed (in its various forms).

Scotland has a vote on independence this year and yet it and Wales have National Assemblies. I suspect there are other factors too, however there is no doubt that many are politically disaffected in England with how much of this has happened in the last 20 years.

To be honest if MFE is the type of reaction to change of this magnitude I would have thought there is not much to worry about. A beerhall putsch it ain't. Relax.

 

[clapham_gull]

Thanks for calling me a loon. I think you are pretty ignorant of the history of the far right in this country and how street confrontations from Cable Street to Southall have contributed to their demoralisation and fracturing.

I'm not ignorant of the far right in this country, I've read extensively about them.

I'm personally not overly worried about this march and fail to see the connection with the black shirts or even the BNP to be honest.

There doesn't appear to much of a political agenda with this lot above fear of Islam. I'm scared make it all go away is somewhat limited. If there was a vision of a pure white England future state I'd definitely bat an eye lid, but there isn't. If they could draw a tenuous link between Muslims and the recession I may feel the need to get up and make a counter argument. But they aren't because they can't.

The St Georges thing doesn't resonate with most people either because when even the most patriotic stop and think they remember that beyond making a dragon out of loo rolls at school, we don't really celebrate it.

The brand has potential is has to be said. Potential synergy with the Crusades etc.. But when your target audience has been on holiday to Bodram and quite fancies a kebab now and then it all falls down.

If I wanted to attack the left I'd start with Artesian Bakeries.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Whether I bang on about it or not...its not going to change the fact that fascists (although fewer than in the past), will descend on my hometown, from other towns in the UK to commit violence if they are able.
They will be confronted by leftwing anti fascists, as usual, and will be left in no doubt, that they are not wanted in Brighton....

whether I say so or not....am I not even allowed to observe, and comment on issues concerning my home town and where my family live? ? haha but you defend the 'rights' of racist, fascists from other parts of the country with no connection to the city? Brilliant.

I could give you a list of words I could put against the fascists, and fascist facilitators on this board, but I doubt if the the swear filter could cope....

No - there will be right wing fascists and left wing fascists. Weirdly you seem quite content to support the left wing ones as you would appear to believe they are somehow upholding righteousness and morality when in reality they are scum just as the right wingers are.

 

[The Truth]

Too young and inexperienced for England but defiantly has the potential.

 

[pastafarian]

Do the terrible UAF terrorise communities with drunken, obscene, behavior in order to scare a section of our society..or just confront *****?

I would suspect the business owners,tourists and residents in Brighton could rightly argue that groups of UAF especially the ones who like to wear balaclavas or their black uniform of hooded tops could be perceived as terrorising the local community especially when they actively cruise the streets and seek out violence against their opponents .

Its slightly perplexing you cannot see this.

I am finding it hard to understand why the UAF just dont ignore these people,as you yourself said "the fascists have a voice, and they have a right to use that voice"

Trying to shut them down shows no understanding of legitimate debate. MFE have nothing important to add to anything anyway why on earth give them press coverage.

If you want to talk about real hypocrits though the UAF actively campaign against UKIP as a racist organisation for wanting to withdraw from the European Union.This shows them up as incredibly out of date,they should really keep up with where UKIP are gaining supporters from.

Why do they not show the same enthusiasm against Arthur Scargill and his Socialist Labour Party who also wish "the complete withdrawal from the European Union"

send all these idiots to march and counter march at the racecourse......great run out for the horses and police dogs,lets the people of brighton just get on with stuff and anyone who wants to watch the scrapping can sit in the grandstand and watch the circus come to town.