Man Management-3 Things that made me uncomfortable

[mune ni kamome]

1. Lua Lua desperately keen to play against his old team Newcastle last season. Dropped from squad completely.
2. Jake Forster Caskey looking like a real prospect when breaking through into the team. Dropped completely off the radar.
3. Dobbie just beginning to look the business and starting to score freely. Inexplicably dropped and now looks disinterested

When you put all the threads together recently there seems to be a certain picture building up of a slightly dictatorial "my way or the highway" kind of leadership with players in and out of favour with unquestioning obedience required. Just an impression of course.

 

[timbha]

don't forget Andrew Whing the Villa STH being taken along for the coach ride

 

[Kneon Light]

Or:
1. Lua Lua not rushed back from injury just for sentimental reasons
2. JFC given first team experience and match time rather than spending most time sitting on the bench
3. Dobbie dropped after a PATHETIC display at Charlton showing all players they have to play well to keep there places.

All could be seen as good management decisions depending on what point you actually want to make

 

[blockhseagull]

I disagree with the Dobbie comment

He scored a pen and a tap in...... In fact against Wolves he was f***ing shocking and also against Charlton and missed several VERY easy chances.

Agree with the other comments though, especially JFC dropped after one poor game despite the 3-4 previously he was very good

 

[kevtherev]

Dunk being blamed for the West Ham defeat last season, then not even on the coach to Forest next game.
Sparrow not even given a squad number along with Vincelot.
Elphick being dropped when top of the table, for something tv proved was a mistake by the ref, just to get Greer in. Then never even given a chance, when he got back to fitness( the last centre half we had who can actually score with his head) Surely a good enough 4th choice.

 

[Stat Brother]

All could be seen as good management decisions depending on what point you actually want to make

And that's why history is always written by the side that won.

 

[vegster]

On point 1, its not unusual for very quiet agreements that some players do not turn out against their old team. Many a player has had a " tight hamstring" the week of the match against his old team.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

Dunk being blamed for the West Ham defeat last season, then not even on the coach to Forest next game.
Sparrow not even given a squad number along with Vincelot.
Elphick being dropped when top of the table, for something tv proved was a mistake by the ref, just to get Greer in. Then never even given a chance, when he got back to fitness( the last centre half we had who can actually score with his head) Surely a good enough 4th choice.

Agree with the Dunk and Sparrow comments.

But the Elphick one? Greer was made captain, he was the big signing of the summer and we'd conceeded a few goals. Greer was fit and ready, of course he got in. And then stayed in, his level of performance continues to be high and El-Abd hasn't done too much wrong either in the last 3 seasons, saturday aside. Elphick is a league 1 centre back due to his lack of pace, can't be too critical of Poyet for selling him.

 

[Icy Gull]

1. Lua Lua desperately keen to play against his old team Newcastle last season. Dropped from squad completely.
2. Jake Forster Caskey looking like a real prospect when breaking through into the team. Dropped completely off the radar.
3. Dobbie just beginning to look the business and starting to score freely. Inexplicably dropped and now looks disinterested

When you put all the threads together recently there seems to be a certain picture building up of a slightly dictatorial "my way or the highway" kind of leadership with players in and out of favour with unquestioning obedience required. Just an impression of course.

In amongst the shitstorm from yesterday's defeat I'll throw in a positive - the resurgence of KLL in the last few games, Gus has definitely done something right there.

I am totally with Gus and all managers who refuse to allow sentiment into meaningful games, because KLL wanted to play, if Gus didn't think he was the best option then he shouldn't have played. It would have been weak management if he'd given in IMO.

 

[mune ni kamome]

On point 1, its not unusual for very quiet agreements that some players do not turn out against their old team. Many a player has had a " tight hamstring" the week of the match against his old team.

Aah. Buckley may not really have had a hamstring problem then

 

[Ernest]

Getting rid of John Stephenson may have been the biggest man management problem, made Poyet think he was unanswerable to anyone and Bloom pandering to him with the 5 year contract before he had proved himself in the Championship was in hindsight another man management problem

 

[Finchley Seagull]

Dunk being blamed for the West Ham defeat last season, then not even on the coach to Forest next game.
Sparrow not even given a squad number along with Vincelot.
Elphick being dropped when top of the table, for something tv proved was a mistake by the ref, just to get Greer in. Then never even given a chance, when he got back to fitness( the last centre half we had who can actually score with his head) Surely a good enough 4th choice.

If you are going to make a point about Dunk, at least get it correct. I don't have a clue whether Poyet blamed Dunk for the West Ham defeat last season but we played Birmingham away after West Ham home and Watford home after West Ham away so factually you are wrong.

Sparrow and Vincelot I kind of agree with but he has been honest with them all along so why give them a squad number if he is not going to play.

As for Elphick, Greer was fantastic after coming in at that point and the defence didn't concede for four games afterwards so he was justified (it is the kind of decisions managers have to make). Having said that, from what I remember Elphick did handle the ball (which was surely a mistake even if it was outside the area).

This thread just seems a chance for the anti Gus brigade to vent about him even if a lot of it is half truths.

 

[Ernest]

Surely Sparrow can't be as bad as the midfielders that are playing , at least he always put an effort in and chipped in with a few goals

 

[Vegas Seagull]

Wot no Kuipers
Like McGee & Adams before him dropped a wonderful keeper who could have been 1st/2nd choice ((for someone worse or in Poyets case two worse (Friedal sp?contract to 43 yrs)) for much longer
Poyet is a Yes man & is not big enough to put our club ahead of his own ego (illustrated by 1st team selected for TV games & not more important league games)

 

[vegster]

Aah. Buckley may not really have had a hamstring problem then

Indeed.

 

[rjbseagull]

So much straw clutching going on it's ridiculous! The Lua Lua comment is factually wrong he was injured, can you imagine the storm on here if he had been brought back from the Newcastle game when not fit! The other two in the OP's post can be interpreted either way granted.

However the comment about bringing Greer for Elphick in league one, even by this place's standards is truly remarkable! Greer was always going to come in at some point and undoubtedly showed through the remainder of the season he was a far better player then Tommy. And the reason he didn't get more chances was that he spent the whole of the next season injured by which point Dunk had emerged as well!

 

[severnside gull]

Or:
1. Lua Lua not rushed back from injury just for sentimental reasons
2. JFC given first team experience and match time rather than spending most time sitting on the bench
3. Dobbie dropped after a PATHETIC display at Charlton showing all players they have to play well to keep there places.

All could be seen as good management decisions depending on what point you actually want to make

In amongst the shitstorm from yesterday's defeat I'll throw in a positive - the resurgence of KLL in the last few games, Gus has definitely done something right there.

I am totally with Gus and all managers who refuse to allow sentiment into meaningful games, because KLL wanted to play, if Gus didn't think he was the best option then he shouldn't have played. It would have been weak management if he'd given in IMO.

If you are going to make a point about Dunk, at least get it correct. I don't have a clue whether Poyet blamed Dunk for the West Ham defeat last season but we played Birmingham away after West Ham home and Watford home after West Ham away so factually you are wrong.

Sparrow and Vincelot I kind of agree with but he has been honest with them all along so why give them a squad number if he is not going to play.

As for Elphick, Greer was fantastic after coming in at that point and the defence didn't concede for four games afterwards so he was justified (it is the kind of decisions managers have to make). Having said that, from what I remember Elphick did handle the ball (which was surely a mistake even if it was outside the area).

This thread just seems a chance for the anti Gus brigade to vent about him even if a lot of it is half truths.

It is all about perspective but there is someting inherently dishonest about the hysteria a very small minority are whipping up on here. Thankfully they are entirely unrepresentative of the majority. I suspect the quotes above whilst they will probably attract some short term abuse are very much more a reflection of the realities.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

Surely Sparrow can't be as bad as the midfielders that are playing , at least he always put an effort in and chipped in with a few goals

Sparrow turned down a move to Crawley in the summer, and another League 1 club. Reading between the lines, he turned down he move to stay on better money here and that pissed off Gus. Or so it seems to me.
But he will go to Scunthorpe in january.

 

[mona]

Getting rid of John Stephenson may have been the biggest man management problem, made Poyet think he was unanswerable to anyone and Bloom pandering to him with the 5 year contract before he had proved himself in the Championship was in hindsight another man management problem

I felt a bit uneasy about this (Stephenson sacking) at the time. But I know nothing. !!
Was also very uneasy about the way Martin Hinshelwood was treated. He, and Dean Wilkins, had done a very good job with the youth team over a long time.

 

[Husty]

Stephenson was responsible for Buckley was he not?