Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Green Cross Code Man]

I am a minor official in the Labour party and think Boris Johnson is a charlatan but I think the one thing him and his government might have done ok with was backing the vaccine.

This. Anyone trying to make a political point off the vaccine has made a serious miscalculation. Potentially it is extremely encouraging.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Health and Social Care Select Committee 'Management Of Coronavirus' health experts currently forming an orderly queue to give hmgov a good kicking over their handling of the pandemic. Pretty much a preview of the Enquiry to come. Live on BBC Parliament now

 

[Birdie Boy]

I've just been tested and I do not have covid.
Interestingly, a doctor, here in a clinical trial hospital, was tested positive last week. All staff that she had been in contact with were tested and a further 2 were found to be positive. None of them had symptoms.

This, in a small way, backs up the news about many having no symptoms but being positive.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Lots of opinions out stating we've over counted deaths, something Hancock looked to jump on very quickly. Possibly not so much, though.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-covid-19-death-toll-is-wrong-but-not-by-much

A Department of Health and Social Care source summed this up as: “You could have been tested positive in February, have no symptoms, then be hit by a bus in July and you’d be recorded as a Covid death.”
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When the Guardian put this to a source at PHE, they said that such a scenario would “technically” be counted as a coronavirus death, “though the numbers where that situation would apply are likely to be very small”. PHE says it calculates deaths in this way because, in most circumstances, it cannot dismiss the possibility that Covid-19 could have played a role in the death.

Speaking at a meeting of the Independent Sage committee, Prof Christina Pagel, professor of operational research at UCL, said: “If someone [got Covid-19] in mid-March, recovered early April, the chances of them then dying from something completely different in the last couple of months is quite low. So I don’t think it has caused a massive distortion.”

Oxford’s Loke said that, at present, the overall death toll is unlikely to be affected since early in the outbreak the PHE approach underestimated deaths from Covid-19 due to a lack of testing. “The true Covid death toll probably is close to what PHE and ONS are reporting, but the time pattern with PHE is wrong,” he said.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Lots of opinions out stating we've over counted deaths, something Hancock looked to jump on very quickly. Possibly not so much, though.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-covid-19-death-toll-is-wrong-but-not-by-much

Aye probably true but when we also look at anecdotal evidence re the died of rather than with that people of talked about the figure perhaps becomes bigger ...more importantly though people should be able to trust what they are presented with ..also perhaps a bit more detail behind them

 

[CHAPPERS]

Aye probably true but when we also look at anecdotal evidence re the died of rather than with that people of talked about the figure perhaps becomes bigger ...more importantly though people should be able to trust what they are presented with ..also perhaps a bit more detail behind them

I just want to know how many times this has happened

''You could have been tested positive in February, have no symptoms, then be hit by a bus in July and you’d be recorded as a Covid death.”

5? 6? That argument is SUCH bullshit.

 

[LamieRobertson]

I just want to know how many times this has happened

''You could have been tested positive in February, have no symptoms, then be hit by a bus in July and you’d be recorded as a Covid death.”

5? 6? That argument is SUCH bullshit.

I guess if you take that example then I’d agree ...but let’s face it the way they are/were calculating it is obviously wrong
..anyway I’ll leave it there ta ta

 

[loz]

I just want to know how many times this has happened

''You could have been tested positive in February, have no symptoms, then be hit by a bus in July and you’d be recorded as a Covid death.”

5? 6? That argument is SUCH bullshit.

But as this virus seems to attack and effect the old and vulnerable they maybe more likely to die of Heart attack, Cancer, or just plain old age withing the 5 months after. When you see it reported that a 96 year old has died of the virus you have to ask, was it not just because they are knocking on a bit ?

 

[CHAPPERS]

But as this virus seems to attack and effect the old and vulnerable they maybe more likely to die of Heart attack, Cancer, or just plain old age withing the 5 months after. When you see it reported that a 96 year old has died of the virus you have to ask, was it not just because they are knocking on a bit ?

Yeah fine, so say that then. The Department of Health should not be using such flippant wording to suggest that there's hundreds of people dying in totally unrelated ways, that tested positive for Covid back when we were barely testing anyone in the first place. If Hancock can find one person that's died by being hit by a bus that tested postive for Covis then I'd be surprised, frankly.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Update on drugs and treatments:

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.phrs.2020.104859

Apologies if there is a paywall. Anyone want a pdf, pm me with an email address.

 

[loz]

Yeah fine, so say that then. The Department of Health should not be using such flippant wording to suggest that there's hundreds of people dying in totally unrelated ways, that tested positive for Covid back when we were barely testing anyone in the first place. If Hancock can find one person that's died by being hit by a bus that tested postive for Covis then I'd be surprised, frankly.

Yes I agree but the "Hit by a bus" wording I did not take as literal,

 

[CHAPPERS]

Yes I agree but the "Hit by a bus" wording I did not take as literal,

Neither did I but they used it so here we are.

 

[Notters]

This. Anyone trying to make a political point off the vaccine has made a serious miscalculation. Potentially it is extremely encouraging.

Potentially, but I still think there's a fair chance it won't be needed. It really depends on the whole T-Cell thing and whether a lot of people already have a degree of immunity.

 

[beorhthelm]

Potentially, but I still think there's a fair chance it won't be needed. It really depends on the whole T-Cell thing and whether a lot of people already have a degree of immunity.

it will be needed to ensure uniform immunity, give confidence it is beaten and behind us.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Anyone else seen this guys report?

https://twitter.com/ballouxfrancois/status/1285854066690719744?s=21

 

[Stat Brother]

I take it we've all had a letter from Imperial College inviting us to take part in home anti-body testing?

 

[Fungus]

Anyone else seen this guys report?

https://twitter.com/ballouxfrancois/status/1285854066690719744?s=21

Interesting. Let's hope the science doesn't get drowned out by politics. There should be no excuse for being unprepared for any future pandemics.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Interesting. Let's hope the science doesn't get drowned out by politics. There should be no excuse for being unprepared for any future pandemics.

The Imperial report claimed the complete opposite. Both scientific. Very hard to distinguish the 'truth' until there is more evidence.

 

[The Wizard]

Concerning numbers from Spain. 2615 new cases today, you expect outbreaks too happen but it appears they are quickly losing control. A friend of mine who lives in Spain says he’s seen for more spanish people behaving badly than tourists, as though they have been ‘let off the leash’ after a very strict lockdown. I have a feeling the ‘air bridge’ to Spain may well be under threat.

 

[Yoda]

Concerning numbers from Spain. 2615 new cases today, you expect outbreaks too happen but it appears they are quickly losing control. A friend of mine who lives in Spain says he’s seen for more spanish people behaving badly than tourists, as though they have been ‘let off the leash’ after a very strict lockdown. I have a feeling the ‘air bridge’ to Spain may well be under threat.

The only thing I would like to ask is how many of those 2615 are antibody tests as Spain lump all their test results into one figure.