Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[nicko31]

The "irony curtain"....

Mexico volunteers to pay for accelerated wall completion to prevent US Citizens from entering Mexico.

 

[Napper]

Not great news. Possibly a new strain of Covid-19 or a completely new virus?

https://www.reuters.com/article/hea...neumonia-deadlier-than-covid-19-idUSL4N2EH0L8

More hype , how many of these stories we seen lately. This will be nothing , just like all the other non stories. Just keeps the fear going

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

The "irony curtain"....

Mexico volunteers to pay for accelerated wall completion to prevent US Citizens from entering Mexico.

 

[beorhthelm]

Not great news. Possibly a new strain of Covid-19 or a completely new virus?

https://www.reuters.com/article/hea...neumonia-deadlier-than-covid-19-idUSL4N2EH0L8

probably the same Covid-19. the report says increase since mid June, they could have isolated and identified a specific RNA strain by now.

 

[£1.99]

I follow this guy on Youtube. His story is quite chilling!
https://youtu.be/clscC120ZQM

He's from Brighton

 

[moggy]

Whatever happened to the game changing antibody tests which were hailed as being ready with the Roche one 100% accurate?
All gone quiet on that front

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

This is not good if true: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2...s-uk-study-suggests?__twitter_impression=true

 

[Yoda]

Whatever happened to the game changing antibody tests which were hailed as being ready with the Roche one 100% accurate?
All gone quiet on that front

This is not good if true: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2...s-uk-study-suggests?__twitter_impression=true

This is exactly why I hate all this talk about antibodies by people that don't really know what they are talking about/looking for.

Firstly. The two types of anti-body they test on are only in your plasma for up to 24 and 50 days anyway so would be completely pointless unless you've recently had it.

Secondly. After that your T Lymphocytes remember the virus and and reproduce the anti bodies if you happen to contract the viral again. So to say immunity will be lost is complete guess work. Studies seem to suggest it's taken at least 5-10 years (possibly more) for this virus to mutate enough to infect humans. Unless that was to suddenly speed up, saying something like in the Guardian report is scare mongering.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

This is exactly why I hate all this talk about antibodies by people that don't really know what they are talking about/looking for.

Firstly. The two types of anti-body they test on are only in your plasma for up to 24 and 50 days anyway so would be completely pointless unless you've recently had it.

Secondly. After that your T Lymphocytes remember the virus and and reproduce the anti bodies if you happen to contract the viral again. So to say immunity will be lost is complete guess work. Studies seem to suggest it's taken at least 5-10 years (possibly more) for this virus to mutate enough to infect humans. Unless that was to suddenly speed up, saying something like in the Guardian report is scare mongering.

Thanks for the clarification. Further reading helped me conclude much the same. To be fair, the guardian piece is not on its own, most the papers and BBC are carrying the same story with a similar stance.

 

[Yoda]

Me personally, I would like to see them do a proper study on truly Asymptomatic cases following that report from Korea about a month ago.

They reported from about 250 asymptomatic carriers, the tested about 750 of their closest contacts and not one had contracted the virus.

 

[sydney]

mountains of bullshit involved here ....

 

[beorhthelm]

This is not good if true: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2...s-uk-study-suggests?__twitter_impression=true

"... suggesting the virus could reinfect people year after year, like common colds" and thats where we stop. we get different common colds each year, from different types of virus.

 

[sparkie]

This is not good if true: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2...s-uk-study-suggests?__twitter_impression=true

Until I hear stories of wards full of patients who have previously recovered from Covid-19 then I'm not giving this speculation any credence.

 

[Badger Boy]

The calm before the storm....

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...se-120000-hospital-deaths-linked-to-covid-19/

Everyone involved in this should be sacked when this doesn't happen. Disgraceful attempt to scaremonger.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Ocado: One job, you only had one job

'Ocado has waiting list of 1 million customers wanting to sign up ‘We’re running a bit like a club,’ says chief executive'

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ist-of-1-million-customers-wanting-to-sign-up

 

[CHAPPERS]

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Vallance getting quite serious about the early government response and the advice given.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Just watching the Downing Street live briefing. Once again that mantra 'R number remains between 0.7 - 0.9' gets trotted out. Does anybody actually believe that BS that has remained strong and stable and hasn't budged since just about Day One. Do they even bother measuring it? Or do they just trot it out in meaningless fashion same as the Eat 5 A Day dietary advice which has since been admitted to be meaningless. What gives?

 

[beorhthelm]

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Vallance getting quite serious about the early government response and the advice given.

and yet testing still controled through NHS/PHE approved sites only.

 

[atomised]

Just watching the Downing Street live briefing. Once again that mantra 'R number remains between 0.7 - 0.9' gets trotted out. Does anybody actually believe that BS that has remained strong and stable and hasn't budged since just about Day One. Do they even bother measuring it? Or do they just trot it out in meaningless fashion same as the Eat 5 A Day dietary advice which has since been admitted to be meaningless. What gives?

I wondered exactly the same it seems to be a line that's trotted out with little or nothing to back it up. Especially as we also hear that the r number is less useful as numbers drop

 

[beorhthelm]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...nto-public-health-england-death-data-12030392

So, turns out things 'may' (and I stress MAY) not have been as bad as first feared

sorry to cross the threads, didnt want this in the good new thread.

I hope public inquiry looks properly at the failed handling from PHE, NHS and other health service management. this is basic analysis failure. PHE seems an utter waste of space, thousands of people spending billions on what exactly?