Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[The Wizard]

My nan is in her 80’s and was having cancer treatment when the lockdown started, her treatment was put on hold and she’s feeling very frustrated as time goes on, time is precious and time only gets more precious the older you get and the less of it you think you have. It’s really a horrible situation.

Cancer referrals down 80%
People not dialling 999 with health emergencies
People not going to doctors
Depression/Anxiety caused by being locked indoors
Long term mental health conditions
Long term ramifications on deaths through other diseases
Economic depression
Suicides (short and longer term)
Domestic Violence
Children’s education and routine ruined = more long term effects

I’m struggling to list all the things I’m beginning to become more worried about the longer this lockdown continues, and life is starting to feel further away from returning to any kind of normality than ever.

 

[atomised]

My nan is in her 80’s and was having cancer treatment when the lockdown started, her treatment was put on hold and she’s feeling very frustrated as time goes on, time is precious and time only gets more precious the older you get and the less of it you think you have. It’s really a horrible situation.

Cancer referrals down 80%
People not dialling 999 with health emergencies
People not going to doctors
Depression/Anxiety caused by being locked indoors
Long term mental health conditions
Long term ramifications on deaths through other diseases
Economic depression
Suicides (short and longer term)
Domestic Violence
Children’s education and routine ruined = more long term effects

I’m struggling to list all the things I’m beginning to become more worried about the longer this lockdown continues, and life is starting to feel further away from returning to any kind of normality than ever.

My 8 year old is normally the one for anxiety but had another meltdown from 5 year old today who is struggling more and more with the lack of routine. We try to fit home.educating in but sometimes the battle isnt worth fighting

 

[atomised]

Some real idiots out this morning. FYI the 510k deaths wasn't the in full death total, that figure was the total deaths by August. Some absolute morons on here. Unbelievable.

So starting to insult people is the way forward awesome plan you have right there. Whatever happened to being kind

 

[beorhthelm]

Lots of B & Qs now reopening (though not Brighton or Bradford - my local - by the looks of it).

also gardening centres and some fast food chains are making preparations to open, installing screens etc.

 

[matumaini]

Lots of B & Qs now reopening (though not Brighton or Bradford - my local - by the looks of it).

Why are these stores being reopened, where has the guidance changed? I thought we were still in the stage only essential businesses should be open?

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[Kinky Gerbil]

You might want to speak to some elderly people to see what their viewpoints are

Speak to quite a few - in both jobs

Vhols - the older people didn’t want to come home or cancel holidays because they may not get the chance to do it again.

ASDA - older people don’t want to spend the rest of the life indoors - if they get it they get it.

Quite a few isn’t the nation obs, but the older generations seem less bothered by the virus than the impact.

 

[Napper]

all systems go....its on its way

 

[Albion Dan]

Some real idiots out this morning. FYI the 510k deaths wasn't the in full death total, that figure was the total deaths by August. Some absolute morons on here. Unbelievable.

In the mean time here are a selection of experts views.


https://www.theburningplatform.com/2020/03/26/12-experts-question-the-covid-19-panic/

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Why are these stores being reopened, where has the guidance changed? I thought we were still in the stage only essential businesses should be open?

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I guess my response to that would be define essential.

Some people live on their own and the garden/diy jobs they can do will stop them going into a mental breakdown.

 

[Bakero]

Lots of B & Qs now reopening (though not Brighton or Bradford - my local - by the looks of it).

If there are no open B&Qs or garden centres in your local area, Nate Dogg tells me you can find hoes in different area codes.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

In the mean time here are a selection of experts views.


https://www.theburningplatform.com/2020/03/26/12-experts-question-the-covid-19-panic/

Reading that seems like there was a chance we have over reacted for the fatalities when put into numbers when weighing up what we have done to the economy.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Some real idiots out this morning. FYI the 510k deaths wasn't the in full death total, that figure was the total deaths by August. Some absolute morons on here. Unbelievable.

Don’t be so hard on yourself

 

[Rugrat]

Speak to quite a few - in both jobs

Vhols - the older people didn’t want to come home or cancel holidays because they may not get the chance to do it again.

ASDA - older people don’t want to spend the rest of the life indoors - if they get it they get it.

Quite a few isn’t the nation obs, but the older generations seem less bothered by the virus than the impact.

and therein lies the problem. Many (of all ages) aren't bothered (and I can see a microcosm of that in activity near me) but the bit they don't seem to get (they say they do) is that a decent number will need to be hospitalised, they may well recover but front line staff are dying. I know one nurse who's now getting really frustrated to the point she wants to know what the people being admitted now were doing that caused them to get it. I'm sure many/most did all they could to avoid it ... not everyone maybe?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

and therein lies the problem. Many (of all ages) aren't bothered (and I can see a microcosm of that in activity near me) but the bit they don't seem to get (they say they do) is that a decent number will need to be hospitalised, they may well recover but front line staff are dying. I know one nurse who's now getting really frustrated to the point she wants to know what the people being admitted now were doing that caused them to get it. I'm sure many/most did all they could to avoid it ... not everyone maybe?

They could be other key workers?

Just out of interest.

Does she tell you how many people are in the hospital atm with covid?

 

[RossyG]

This is a useful graph, one [MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION] in particular might find interesting.

 

[Notters]

Why are these stores being reopened, where has the guidance changed? I thought we were still in the stage only essential businesses should be open?

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The guidance hasn't changed - up till now "essential" items have been available via click and collect. I think it's reasonable to include things such as taps, pipes, wires, switches etc. as essential?

I guess they've now just implemented distancing measures in the stores.

Wickes has also been operating by click and collect and it's been possible to purchase trade paint, for example, but not regular paint.

 

[Billy Seagull]

Racing Post article on Cheltenham including some context on the number of deaths in the Gloucester Hospital trust. Good to see another point of view, with data, instead of the general rubbish peddled in the papers and television.

https://www.racingpost.com/news/fact...navirus/432186

With Britain in lockdown, the Cheltenham Festival has become a favourite target for those seeking someone to blame for the spread of the coronavirus pandemic.

The four-day event drew 250,000 people just days before mass gatherings were banned, in an attempt to restrict the virus, and racing went behind closed doors and then stopped completely.

The BHA has continually stressed that government advice was followed before and during the festival, when such events were not seen officially as a high area of risk, if appropriate hygiene measures were in place and observed.

A front-page story in The Guardian newspaper on Wednesday was the latest to suggest that the Cheltenham Festival led to a rise in coronavirus cases locally, so the Racing Post has looked at the evidence.

Is it true that Gloucestershire Hospitals Trust has an unusually high mortality rate for Covid-19?

The Guardian cited mortality figures compiled by the Health Service Journal and contrasted Gloucestershire Hospitals NHS trust unfavourably with neighbouring trusts.

The article compared deaths at Gloucestershire Hospitals with trusts in Swindon, Bath and two different trusts serving Bristol.

However, the article made no mention of relative sizes – to put the figures into context, Worcestershire Acute NHS Trust serves 20,000 fewer people than Gloucestershire yet has had 21 more deaths, whereas North Bristol serves 300,000 more and has had 69 fewer deaths.

Trusts also receive variable patient numbers, while they all operate a different number of hospitals. For example, Gloucestershire runs 16 hospitals of various sizes and specialities, while Great Western Hospitals, serving Swindon, operates seven.

As Sarah Scott, Gloucestershire's director of public health, said in the Guardian article: "There are many factors that could influence the number of cases in an area, including population density, age and health profile and the position of an area on the pandemic curve. It is also not possible to make comparisons between hospital trusts across the region as they all serve populations of differing size and characteristics."

HSJ statistics for reported Covid-19 positive deaths in England per 100,000 people put Gloucestershire comfortably in the bottom half of a table headed by The Black Country and West Birmingham.

And Gloucestershire's mortality rate could not necessarily be blamed on the Cheltenham Festival, whose racegoers – and many of its workforce – come from further afield.

Is there any evidence that Cheltenham contributed to the spread of coronavirus in Gloucestershire or elsewhere?

While entirely possible, evidence that the festival contributed to a significant spread of the coronavirus is purely anecdotal, such as the celebrity cases mentioned in the Guardian article.

Gloucestershire actually has a lower number of confirmed Covid-19 cases than surrounding counties - the south west itself is very low and within that Gloucestershire is below average.

As it stands, there is still much that is unknown about the coronavirus, including the role mass gatherings like Cheltenham might play in spreading it.

In an article in the Lancet published last month, the World Health Organisation's Novel Coronavirus-19 Mass Gatherings Expert Group wrote: "at present there is scant evidence on the effectiveness of individual mitigation actions for Covid-19".

Did other big events take place around that time?

In the week of the Cheltenham Festival there were ten Premier League football matches and Atletico Madrid played a Champions League game at Liverpool, bringing 3,000 supporters from a country further along the Covid-19 timeline than Britain.

Rugby internationals were played at Twickenham and Murrayfield and the Stereophonics played in front of 15,000 people over two nights in Cardiff.

What do experts say about the role big events, like Cheltenham, are likely to have played in the transmission of the coronavirus?

Cheltenham medical officer Sue Smith is among those who have stated it is impossible to know where and how any individual has contracted the coronavirus and, in the absence of testing, whether they actually have the virus.

And Dr Tony Holohan, a more objective expert as Ireland's chief medical officer, has said there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest a link between people who were at the festival and cases or clusters of the coronavirus.

Are experts really calling for an investigation into the Cheltenham Festival?

Despite much media comment on the subject, experts - as opposed to media commentators such as Piers Morgan - seem not actually to be calling for an investigation into the festival.

Even Professor John Ashton, a former director of public health for Cumbria who was quoted in the Guardian article, said the figures "deserve to be properly investigated" rather than demanding an inquiry into the festival itself.

Indeed, looking at the Cheltenham Festival in exclusion - when dozens of other major events took place around the same time, workplaces remained open and millions were travelling on public transport - would provide limited evidence towards understanding where and how the coronavirus spread.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Those looking for positive news stories at the daily briefing in the middle of a deadly pandemic might want to stick to the good news thread on this website and stop watching them.

 

[loz]

This is a useful graph, one [MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION] in particular might find interesting.

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If that , is in anyway correct, we have made one horrendous miss calculation that my kids my grand kids and their kids will be paying for.

 

[Notters]

Racing Post article on Cheltenham including some context on the number of deaths in the Gloucester Hospital trust. Good to see another point of view, with data, instead of the general rubbish peddled in the papers and television.

https://www.racingpost.com/news/fact...navirus/432186

Erm, don't most of the attendees come from London/Surrey, not Cheltenham?