Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Billy the Fish]

They are fairly sure you have antibodies for about six months although less sure how T-Cells and B-Cells come into play after that. Regardless people have had it twice

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...does-it-exist-coronavirus-population-immunity

Found this article that I remembered reading.

Re: the bit in bold. Getting it twice doesn't mean you didn't still have some level of immunity. IMHO we'll all be catching this every year, just like every other coronavirus. That's a big reason why I don't want to keep masks a legal requirement, because it sets a precedent. I'd rather catch colds while I'm young and healthy, it might just save me further on in life.

If people want to mask up that's fine, but it should be personal choice and not a legal matter or for the state to decide.

 

[LamieRobertson]

TBH it's a bit of a side issue as it is only one part of the immune system. From what I can gather there is not a lot of information on how long immunity lasts after antibodies disappear.

It might very well be time for us all to start building natural immunity now but I don't think it was a good idea in July last year.

I think we can agree on this…..still a lot to be learnt ….antibodies, T cells B cells etc

 

[LamieRobertson]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...does-it-exist-coronavirus-population-immunity

Found this article that I remembered reading.

Re: the bit in bold. Getting it twice doesn't mean you didn't still have some level of immunity. IMHO we'll all be catching this every year, just like every other coronavirus. That's a big reason why I don't want to keep masks a legal requirement, because it sets a precedent. I'd rather catch colds while I'm young and healthy, it might just save me further on in life.

If people want to mask up that's fine, but it should be personal choice and not a legal matter or for the state to decide.

….perhaps immunity can be best described as protection…bit like a vaccine will give you a level of protection but not immunity ..hope this doesnt come across as being pedantic

 

[Fat Boy Fat]

"Living with Covid" is so easy to say as a buzz phrase, oft' repeated, but clearly for some it's not so easy!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60072080

 

[e77]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...does-it-exist-coronavirus-population-immunity

Found this article that I remembered reading.

Re: the bit in bold. Getting it twice doesn't mean you didn't still have some level of immunity. IMHO we'll all be catching this every year, just like every other coronavirus. That's a big reason why I don't want to keep masks a legal requirement, because it sets a precedent. I'd rather catch colds while I'm young and healthy, it might just save me further on in life.

If people want to mask up that's fine, but it should be personal choice and not a legal matter or for the state to decide.

Fairly well documented that having immunity might mean you just get it less seriously as that is how the vaccines work.

Without wishing to reheat old arguments wearing a face covering is more about protecting others than yourself so the state very much had a say in it during the height of the pandemic.

We might be in a position now if the virus is weakening to not be so afraid of catching it but we weren't previously.

 

[Yoda]

That's a slightly different question, as is the cost - financial or otherwise - of stricter restrictions. The question I was addressing was the last round of restrictions in Wales made any difference to infections, which they most definitely did.

To be fair South Africa is a younger less vaccinated population so it was never going to be a straight read across to the UK but throughout the pandemic there has been an element of England ignoring what happened in the rest of the world, starting from when we saw what was happening in Italy and were slow to react to it.

This old chestnut again?

While the average age is 17 years younger than the UK, you have to remember that any demographic advantage the population might have in terms of battling Covid is outweighed by poor health. The fact is that South Africa has got a much more susceptible population than the UK when it comes to severe disease, they've got an unhealthier population because of a higher prevalence of other co-morbidities including obesity and HIV. If anything, previous infection from the original Wuhan strain, Beta & Delta waves has also help out there. Excess deaths in South Africa during the pandemic now sit at 290,000 - or 480 per 100,000 people - which is more than double the UK figure. Similar sized populations too.

Each situation and each country has some unique characteristics. But we had previously learned how to extrapolate from one setting to another, for some reason, this was ignored for Omicron, because it wasn't coming from the Western World.

 

[dazzer6666]

Bit of a sore throat/runny nose this morning, did an LFT which shows positive.......nothing worse than a mild/typical winter bug atm......

 

[LamieRobertson]

Bit of a sore throat/runny nose this morning, did an LFT which shows positive.......nothing worse than a mild/typical winter bug atm......

That’s down to all that clubbing to the early hours you do

 

[dazzer6666]

That’s down to all that clubbing to the early hours you do

Well I did spend a coupe of hours in the snooker club on Friday afternoon, must have been that

 

[LamieRobertson]

Well I did spend a coupe of hours in the snooker club on Friday afternoon, must have been that

Playing snooker is always a cue for covid…


I’ll get my coat

 

[dazzer6666]

Playing snooker is always a cue for covid…


I’ll get my coat

 

[beorhthelm]

"Living with Covid" is so easy to say as a buzz phrase, oft' repeated, but clearly for some it's not so easy!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60072080

we need to desensitise to covid. with vaccine and the weaker omicron dominant, the disease is now little different to other virus and disease. it isnt the risk it was two years ago and we need to adjust to that. how did immune compromised cope with general, endemic respiratory disease before then?

 

[Swansman]

A little jealous about you getting rid of the covid passes... here it just beginning and likely to stay a long while as the people in charge here does not like rapid changes (for good and bad).

 

[Fat Boy Fat]

we need to desensitise to covid. with vaccine and the weaker omicron dominant, the disease is now little different to other virus and disease. it isnt the risk it was two years ago and we need to adjust to that. how did immune compromised cope with general, endemic respiratory disease before then?

I trust you have some sort of medical training to make this as a reply to a post highlighting vulnerable people's concerns?

Basically the advice prior to Covid was the same as the current advice for the vulnerable, stay away from people and crowds. The massive difference is that most of those respiratory diseases you refer to are seasonal, whereas Covid clearly isn't and Covid numbers appear to be far greater.

Maybe you should leave a comment on that article on the BBC website, to give them the benefit of your knowledge and to tell people they are worrying about nothing!

These are real people, with genuine worries.

 

[worthingseagull123]

Some good news.

Fully vacinnated people travelling to the UK will no longer need to take tests.

 

[beorhthelm]

Basically the advice prior to Covid was the same as the current advice for the vulnerable, stay away from people and crowds. The massive difference is that most of those respiratory diseases you refer to are seasonal, whereas Covid clearly isn't and Covid numbers appear to be far greater.

thats the point, the numbers are no longer greater. they were last winter/spring, data shows much lower and no reason to believe they'll increase into spring.

 

[Fat Boy Fat]

thats the point, the numbers are no longer greater. they were last winter/spring, data shows much lower and no reason to believe they'll increase into spring.

So again, I ask the point, are these people in this report and the hundreds of thousands in the same situation, who are concerned about their future, just being silly and worrying about nothing?

 

[beorhthelm]

So again, I ask the point, are these people in this report and the hundreds of thousands in the same situation, who are concerned about their future, just being silly and worrying about nothing?

im saying they are worrying about more risk than there is. i cant say how much they worried previously, the risk level is similar to pre-covid. if for some their previous advice was avoid people and crowds, little has changed, we all return to normality (whatever that is).

 

[seagullwedgee]

Perhaps I can comment, not from a knowledge perspective, but from an immuno-compromised perspective. My Missus has been on oral chemo for 8 years for a rare interstitial lung disease. We shielded religiously from March 2020 until October 2021. It was tough, but necessary. Over Xmas 21 we took some controlled but calculated risks, and she kept ok. Last week, for the first time in 2 years, we got a train to London and went to a theatre matinée. It was Pugh, but we conquered it. Bottom line, she is immune-compromised but she is triple jabbed, about to be booked in for 4th. she was a senior nursing professional, and she has been contacted by NHS contacted proactively to advise that antiviral drugs are available to get the same day she tests positive. And the severity of variants suffered now is significantly less. And at some point life has to go,on, and for us, that point is now.

 

[e77]

Perhaps I can comment, not from a knowledge perspective, but from an immuno-compromised perspective. My Missus has been on oral chemo for 8 years for a rare interstitial lung disease. We shielded religiously from March 2020 until October 2021. It was tough, but necessary. Over Xmas 21 we took some controlled but calculated risks, and she kept ok. Last week, for the first time in 2 years, we got a train to London and went to a theatre matinée. It was Pugh, but we conquered it. Bottom line, she is immune-compromised but she is triple jabbed, about to be booked in for 4th. she was a senior nursing professional, and she has been contacted by NHS contacted proactively to advise that antiviral drugs are available to get the same day she tests positive. And the severity of variants suffered now is significantly less. And at some point life has to go,on, and for us, that point is now.

It's good that they seem to be thinking of people in your wife's position at last.