If the 21st goes ahead and nothing happens, will all these people come out and say we got it wrong?
Do they know the same thing happened in Israel? Did they think there would be no exit wave?
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If the 21st goes ahead and nothing happens, will all these people come out and say we got it wrong?
Do they know the same thing happened in Israel? Did they think there would be no exit wave?
This has been rather hidden away and ignored, no time for trump but he called this early in not ruling out it being lab made and leaving the WHO.
When I'm feeling positive and cheerful I come on here to see what Crodo has been reading. Really sorts me out.
I have little respect for Caroline Lucas soundbites though.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
This.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
A bit of madness about touching a ball 
https://twitter.com/stevo7afl/status/1399966204920406017?s=21
https://twitter.com/stevo7afl/status/1399966204920406017?s=21
Of which I have provided evidence that contradicts your assertion.
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Hove / Παρος
Excess deaths in USA by year. Wait? What?
Have you actually checked the CDC source at the bottom of the graphic? Probably not, because if you did you would see that it only includes death numbers from 2019 and 2020 so I'm not sure where the data from the other years comes from?
Also the actual data you linked to shows
2019 average deaths per month = 237,900 (12 months of data)
2020 average deaths per month = 270,200 (only 9 months of data doesn't include Oct, Nov & Dec)
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-tables.htm
So according to the data source there were, on average, around 32,300 excess deaths each month of 2020, but the actual monthly average would be MUCH HIGHER as Oct, Nov and Dec aren't included and had the highest deaths rates of the year.
Seems like you're just reposting false info that suits your agenda without doing any of your own fact checking
Albion Dan
Banned
crodonilson
He/Him
Indian variant now the dominant one in the UK and early analysis by scientists show you are twice as likely to be hospitalised with this new variant if you catch it.
Prof Christina Pagel, director of UCL’s Clinical Operational Research Unit, said the new PHE report is concerning. “Every technical report seems to bring worse news. Added to increased transmissibility and some vaccine escape, we now have evidence that your chance of being hospitalised might be twice as high with the Delta variant than with the Alpha variant,” she said. “This makes it harder for vaccines to weaken the link between cases and hospitalisations.”
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Prof Danny Altmann at Imperial College, London, agreed.
“This just adds to our ongoing concerns about the currently growing impact of the Delta variant. We knew it was more transmissible than our previously most concerning alpha variant and has rapidly been replacing it as the dominant strain. We also know that it has more profound immune evasion and poses an enhanced threat particularly to all who have so far received no vaccine or only one dose. To this we now add a further concern that those infected may have a raised chance of progressing to hospitalisation,” he said. “This is not where we wanted to be.”
Deenan Pillay, professor of virology at UCL and member of the Independent Sage group of experts, suggested the data threw further doubt on the easing of restrictions later this month.
“These are the sorts of data which make it more difficult to carry on with the roadmap as planned. This is the first time we’ve had a hint that the variant is associated with a greater risk of hospitalisation” he said.
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“If a virus is more transmissible, a key driver can be a higher amount of viral replication and what goes along with that is more severe disease. That’s still to be confirmed, but it may be one explanation for what we are seeing.”
Pillay added that it is important that rules are adhered to despite the feeling that we are coming out of lockdown.
“There should be no laxity of protective measures like social distancing and the rest of it. Infections are rising and it’s essential people know the risks,” he said.
Prof Christina Pagel, director of UCL’s Clinical Operational Research Unit, said the new PHE report is concerning. “Every technical report seems to bring worse news. Added to increased transmissibility and some vaccine escape, we now have evidence that your chance of being hospitalised might be twice as high with the Delta variant than with the Alpha variant,” she said. “This makes it harder for vaccines to weaken the link between cases and hospitalisations.”
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Prof Danny Altmann at Imperial College, London, agreed.
“This just adds to our ongoing concerns about the currently growing impact of the Delta variant. We knew it was more transmissible than our previously most concerning alpha variant and has rapidly been replacing it as the dominant strain. We also know that it has more profound immune evasion and poses an enhanced threat particularly to all who have so far received no vaccine or only one dose. To this we now add a further concern that those infected may have a raised chance of progressing to hospitalisation,” he said. “This is not where we wanted to be.”
Deenan Pillay, professor of virology at UCL and member of the Independent Sage group of experts, suggested the data threw further doubt on the easing of restrictions later this month.
“These are the sorts of data which make it more difficult to carry on with the roadmap as planned. This is the first time we’ve had a hint that the variant is associated with a greater risk of hospitalisation” he said.
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“If a virus is more transmissible, a key driver can be a higher amount of viral replication and what goes along with that is more severe disease. That’s still to be confirmed, but it may be one explanation for what we are seeing.”
Pillay added that it is important that rules are adhered to despite the feeling that we are coming out of lockdown.
“There should be no laxity of protective measures like social distancing and the rest of it. Infections are rising and it’s essential people know the risks,” he said.
Weststander
Well-known member
I was late to realise that those who want enduring restrictions and lockdowns, haven't been hit hard financially.
In fact the BoE have numbers showing millions find themselves better off for a variety of reasons.
Many hated going to work, the commute and/or their employer. Furlough and WFH have enabled a break from that hell.
But huge numbers of folk have been hit hard financially, furlough and self employed grants have provided support until now, whilst industries have been decimated, not to mention the impact on mental health.
Very soon things will open and stay open on these shores. With the benefit of the amazing vaccination programme, we need to live again.
In fact the BoE have numbers showing millions find themselves better off for a variety of reasons.
Many hated going to work, the commute and/or their employer. Furlough and WFH have enabled a break from that hell.
But huge numbers of folk have been hit hard financially, furlough and self employed grants have provided support until now, whilst industries have been decimated, not to mention the impact on mental health.
Very soon things will open and stay open on these shores. With the benefit of the amazing vaccination programme, we need to live again.
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From the Indian variant - 90 overnight admissions out of 5172 unvaccinated cases and 11 deaths.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Pagel
Someone has yet to ask her the benefits of pushing the exit wave into the winter/autumn months.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
...ye her and Deepti G and a few others who get trotted round radio and tv studios upping their profiles
Which, as someone else has pointed out, contains a link to a page that doesn't contain the range of data in that chart.
Do you not understand this or are you a liar?
darkwolf666
Well-known member
No - the Delta variant will now be the quoted reason for not removing all restrictions, I would say face masks will be the norm in some locations for a while to come.
Having said that, I am sure the government will cobble together a mish mash of regulations and advice that will be so flawed and full of contradictions that no one will understand or follow it...,
So little change really!