Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[darkwolf666]

I don't see how this can be misinterpreted, but you seem to have done so. What it means is that (1) some people have an ambition to continue lockdown, and (2) I believe that will have negative net results. That does NOT mean that I think they are evil. It does NOT mean that I think they have negative intentions. If a doctor misdiagnoses an illness, it does not mean he is an evil man.


I am sorry that your understanding of dementia is so slight that you cannot see how people who suffer from it are being harmed. I am sorry that your understanding of old age is such that you cannot see how people who are old and infirm are suffering harm.

And I note that when you propose to follow the science, those scientists who tell us that the Indian variant is no more virulent than any other are being ignored. you seem to prefer anecdotal news from India on that one. For you, it isn't a matter of "a scientist says it so I will agree with it" - it is a matter of "a scientist says what I agree with, so he must be a reliable source". Maybe it is so with me as well. But I'm not claiming the moral high ground for agreeing with scientists who agree with me.

Rather condescending and dismissive, aren't you?

 

[dsr-burnley]

Rather condescending and dismissive, aren't you?

If I am, I'm not the only one.

 

[darkwolf666]

If I am, I'm not the only one.

Add childish too then!

 

[dsr-burnley]

Add childish too then!

You may think it so. Your prerogative.

 

[darkwolf666]

You may think it so. Your prerogative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cDLZqe735k

 

[nicko31]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/15/johnson-must-think-again-on-plans-to-relax-covid-rules

Mounting pressure now from the scientific community to scrap Mondays relaxations, I fear BJ has learned nothing from the previous waves though.



4 tests, only 3 met

Yep, they are breaking their own rules



Sadly they are going ahead, IMHO we're taking a big step into the unknown

In the absence of this we need a complete vaccine blitz and surge testing in areas with the Indian variant NOW and hope for best

 

[dsr-burnley]

Yep, they are breaking their own rules

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Sadly they are going ahead, IMHO we're taking a big step into the unknown

In the absence of this we need a complete vaccine blitz and surge testing in areas with the Indian variant NOW and hope for best

It depends how you define "fundamentally". I wouldn't have thought that a new variant that is subdued by the vaccine in much the same way as all the other variations, would be fundamentally different, even if it does spread to the young unvaccinated rather faster.

 

[dazzer6666]

It depends how you define "fundamentally". I wouldn't have thought that a new variant that is subdued by the vaccine in much the same way as all the other variations, would be fundamentally different, even if it does spread to the young unvaccinated rather faster.

Overall case numbers aren’t going up - been hovering around 2k/day for quite a while now whilst deaths and hospitalisations have minimised and the number in hospital in down 98% from the the peak. The outbreaks are currently very isolated. Fundamentally then picture could be argued as being stable.

It’s a calculated risk for sure, but doesn’t seem unreasonable - hopefully the surge testing and vaccinating will squash the localised outbreaks.

 

[nicko31]

Overall case numbers aren’t going up - been hovering around 2k/day for quite a while now whilst deaths and hospitalisations have minimised and the number in hospital in down 98% from the the peak. The outbreaks are currently very isolated. Fundamentally then picture could be argued as being stable.

It’s a calculated risk for sure, but doesn’t seem unreasonable - hopefully the surge testing and vaccinating will squash the localised outbreaks.

Big queues outside BW FC yesterday getting the jab, great to see this...

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ews/bolton-wanderers-invite-over-16s-20609740

 

[Hotchilidog]

Big queues outside BW FC yesterday getting the jab, great to see this...

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ews/bolton-wanderers-invite-over-16s-20609740

Good to see that it's not just surge testing but surge vaccination taking place in these localised hotspots. With over 50% of adults already with at least one jab there will be some capacity for this.

 

[The Clamp]

“The young aren’t at risk”
“Oh terror! The young are at risk”

This could go on forever, open the flipping country back up. Time to take the risk.
And I’m not denying there is a risk.

 

[darkwolf666]

“The young aren’t at risk”
“Oh terror! The young are at risk”

This could go on forever, open the flipping country back up. Time to take the risk.
And I’m not denying there is a risk.

As long as people are allowed to manage their own risk then and not be forced into situations they aren't comfortable with, like face to face benefit interviews without fear of sanctions...

 

[Yoda]

Good to see that it's not just surge testing but surge vaccination taking place in these localised hotspots. With over 50% of adults already with at least one jab there will be some capacity for this.

They've been adopting this surge vaccination program where they've had small localised outbreaks of this variant in France to some success too.

 

[The Clamp]

As long as people are allowed to manage their own risk then and not be forced into situations they aren't comfortable with, like face to face benefit interviews without fear of sanctions...

Yes, sounds reasonable. For a couple of months . We can’t have people sat indoors, collecting benefits indefinitely while the rest of us continue to go to work and risk our health to pay their way. The country needs to get up and running, everyone playing their part. Including the jobseekers. Far too many shirkers hiding behind Covid anxiety. The free ride is over, I’m afraid.

 

[loz]

Yes, sounds reasonable. For a couple of months . We can’t have people sat indoors, collecting benefits indefinitely while the rest of us continue to go to work and risk our health to pay their way. The country needs to get up and running, everyone playing their part. Including the jobseekers. Far too many shirkers hiding behind Covid anxiety. The free ride is over, I’m afraid.

This is a more brutal expression of the post I made earlier...it seems it OK for Builders, shop workers, Factory workers, Bus / train drivers and alike to work as normal, but Karen and Brian in the purchasing office can stay at home telling everyone its too dangerous to get off their settee and go to work.

Its creating a huge them and us workplace culture as you might say a blue collar and white collar divide.

 

[nicko31]

Yes, sounds reasonable. For a couple of months . We can’t have people sat indoors, collecting benefits indefinitely while the rest of us continue to go to work and risk our health to pay their way. The country needs to get up and running, everyone playing their part. Including the jobseekers. Far too many shirkers hiding behind Covid anxiety. The free ride is over, I’m afraid.

What exactly is the plan for winding down furlough? A number of sectors are going to have significant labour shortages soon...

 

[The Clamp]

What exactly is the plan for winding down furlough? A number of sectors are going to have significant labour shortages soon...

Nervous Nellies, off your couches please! That’s the plan

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

Vaccinated on Friday just gone. Yippie!!!

 

[The Clamp]

This is a more brutal expression of the post I made earlier...it seems it OK for Builders, shop workers, Factory workers, Bus / train drivers and alike to work as normal, but Karen and Brian in the purchasing office can stay at home telling everyone its too dangerous to get off their settee and go to work.

Its creating a huge them and us workplace culture as you might say a blue collar and white collar divide.

Yep, agree 100. Me and millions others have been getting on busses twice daily, working with people with Covid , annual leave cancelled, overtime cancelled (down 25% income, very uncomfortable) while Ethan from IT has been working in his conservatory in his spaffy joggers, complaining he hasn’t been to a restaurant for a few months and being in the same space as his cupcake baking wife for a year has given his emotional needs dog a migraine. Get a grip, get to work.

 

[Yoda]

Yep, agree 100. Me and millions others have been getting on busses twice daily, working with people with Covid , annual leave cancelled, overtime cancelled (down 25% income, very uncomfortable) while Ethan from IT has been working in his conservatory in his spaffy joggers, complaining he hasn’t been to a restaurant for a few months and being in the same space as his cupcake baking wife for a year has given his emotional needs dog a migraine. Get a grip, get to work.

Oi! I work in IT and I can't wait to get back to the office.

The only trouble is our office closed due to the building the local CCG were using ended their lease for a new one without enough space for us too, the contract that my CSU has with them expires in 5 months and we are being tuped to a new CSU that will be providing the service.
Due to this they won't be finding us an office to work in for the rest of the contract. Currently waiting to hear what the new CSU have in plan for us. So I'm stuck working from home until at least the beginning of November at the earliest.