Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Poojah]

Britain's greatest economic slump since the great frost hibernation of 1709, according to the Bank of England. I think that little stat does a great job of framing this as a significant historical event.

The first time a modern, or technologically advanced, economy has faced a global pandemic. It does make you wonder, though advances in technology or more specifically medical science have made this less damaging than it would have otherwise have been, it does make you wonder what an outbreak of Covid would have looked like in a world without aeroplanes. Perhaps it would have merely have slowed the spread, but an interesting thought nonetheless.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

https://twitter.com/cjsnowdon/status/1360016937888153604?s=20

This just makes absolutely no sense.

We can see from last year this wasn’t the case, just adds questions to all the modelling.

 

[RossyG]

https://twitter.com/cjsnowdon/status/1360016937888153604?s=20

This just makes absolutely no sense.

We can see from last year this wasn’t the case, just adds questions to all the modelling.

Yup.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

'About 8% of Covid cases may have been picked up in hospital’

About 8.8% of Covid-19 hospital cases in England over the first wave of the pandemic may have been nosocomial - or hospital-acquired - infections, according to scientists advising the Government.

In a new document published by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) on Friday, figures suggest that between 2 February and 26 July last year, there were about 7,906 cases of Covid-19 infections, where patients tested positive 15 or more days after hospital admission.

Experts analysing the data said this figure increased to 14,635 cases (or 16.4%), when factoring in positive Covid-19 tests eight or more days after hospital admission.

However, they add that when taking into account missed hospital-acquired infections - those with a symptom onset after discharge, or those with symptom onset prior to the defined cut-off - the numbers may have been as high as 31,000 in England over the first wave.

The experts said that while the proportion of Covid-19 cases linked to hospital transmission is considerable, this is relatively small at a population level.

The undated document said: “A simple calculation assuming 5% of infections are hospitalised and of these hospital cases, if 25% are due to nosocomial infection, the complete prevention of nosocomial transmission would have led to approximately 1% impact on the number of infections in the English epidemic overall.

“However, since hospitalised patients tend to be old and/or frail, the impact in terms of morbidity and mortality would nonetheless be expected to be substantial.”

NHS national medical director Professor Stephen Powis said: “We disagree with these claims, since as the paper itself admits, this research makes large speculative assumptions about Covid cases in hospitals which are not actually backed up by data, notably during a period when testing availability for Covid-19 was often limited.

“The ONS and other data have conclusively demonstrated that the root cause of rising infection rates in hospitals is rising rates in the community, which is why it’s so important the public continue to follow hands, face, space advice.”


Disgraceful

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Have to say I'm glad we have this guy in charge

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/andrew-cuomo-emerges-as-heartfelt-voice-of-coronavirus-reason-trump-not-so-much/ar-BB11uEUG?ocid=sf

Just did a search for Cuomo and this was first post - so not aimed at you

But

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ics/cuomo-new-york-covid-deaths-b1801267.html

Seems he did the same as here and dumped ill people back into care homes and someone covered it up

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It's pointless putting people into quarantine when they are mixing in the Arrivals area, before they go to the hotels.

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[Lyndhurst 14]

Just did a search for Cuomo and this was first post - so not aimed at you

But

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ics/cuomo-new-york-covid-deaths-b1801267.html

Seems he did the same as here and dumped ill people back into care homes and someone covered it up

Well, that post was nearly a year ago and a lot has since come out about him. At the time he did a good job in considerably reducing the number of Covid fatalities in New York (which were among the highest in the States) by implementing pretty strict regulations. But you're right he has basically shown himself to be like any other politician when the chips are down and will now have to face the music because, as the article says, the truth will finally come out and he covered up the true figures. Boris seems to be riding high at the minute with the success of the vaccine rollout but the scandal of UK care home deaths is not going away.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Well, that post was nearly a year ago and a lot has since come out about him. At the time he did a good job in considerably reducing the number of Covid fatalities in New York (which were among the highest in the States) by implementing pretty strict regulations. But you're right he has basically shown himself to be like any other politician when the chips are down and will now have to face the music because, as the article says, the truth will finally come out and he covered up the true figures. Boris seems to be riding high at the minute with the success of the vaccine rollout but the scandal of UK care home deaths is not going away.

As mentioned, was not aimed at you - more the link to compare

I agree, those and hospitals.

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

As mentioned, was not aimed at you - more the link to compare

I agree, those and hospitals.

 

[Swansman]

Excess mortality in Europe 2020.

Norway really is a weird exception, with lower number of deaths than normal. Guess having endless resources helps when it comes to entirely closing borders and shutting down parts of society etc.

 

[RossyG]

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Excess mortality in Europe 2020.

Norway really is a weird exception, with lower number of deaths than normal. Guess having endless resources helps when it comes to entirely closing borders and shutting down parts of society etc.

I’m not surprised Spain is one of the worst hit, but I’m surprised Poland is. The media didn’t really highlight it last year.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Just to add a little humour to this thread.

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[Lyndhurst 14]

US hits the half million deaths milestone. Some very sobering statistics in this article. 4.25% of the world's population but about 20% of the Covid deaths and the original estimate for Covid deaths was 240,000

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/22/us/us-covid-deaths-half-a-million.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20210222&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline&regi_id=56564702&segment_id=52146&user_id=4180feebac29b9e10fe3e6db6d77bd2c

 

[dsr-burnley]

US hits the half million deaths milestone. Some very sobering statistics in this article. 4.25% of the world's population but about 20% of the Covid deaths and the original estimate for Covid deaths was 240,000

Nowhere near 20% of the Covid deaths. You're assuming that all countries record covid deaths in the same way with the same thoroughness and accuracy. It isn't true.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Nowhere near 20% of the Covid deaths. You're assuming that all countries record covid deaths in the same way with the same thoroughness and accuracy. It isn't true.

Agreed. This is where the frothing at the mouth of some people on Twitter etc is futile. They use stats to justify their political inclinations. It will only be in the years to come, when a more accurate picture can't be established.

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

Nowhere near 20% of the Covid deaths. You're assuming that all countries record covid deaths in the same way with the same thoroughness and accuracy. It isn't true.

OK - you know more than the New York Times

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

Agreed. This is where the frothing at the mouth of some people on Twitter etc is futile. They use stats to justify their political inclinations. It will only be in the years to come, when a more accurate picture can't be established.

I'm not using this to make any political point, I'm just repeating figures quoted in a reputable source. Don't shoot the messenger

 

[dsr-burnley]

OK - you know more than the New York Times

The New York Times quote is "The United States accounts for about 20 percent of the world’s known coronavirus-related deaths". That's not the same as the same as the world's actual total of coronavirus related deaths. Many countries' records are less rigorous that the USA, or for that matter, ours.

I'm not using this to make any political point, I'm just repeating figures quoted in a reputable source. Don't shoot the messenger

You're quoting them inaccurately. That's the issue.

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

The New York Times quote is "The United States accounts for about 20 percent of the world’s known coronavirus-related deaths". That's not the same as the same as the world's actual total of coronavirus related deaths. Many countries' records are less rigorous that the USA, or for that matter, ours.

Now you are just nit picking - you know exactly what I meant

 

[dsr-burnley]

Now you are just nit picking - you know exactly what I meant

Actually I didn't, I thought you meant what you said. I apologise if I have caused you any offence.

However, the correction is still worth making so that other people who read your post can at least have the facts as reported by the NYT.