Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Bold Seagull]

This is Christopher Street, New York yesterday.

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I think the psychologists were right. People will tolerate the lockdown for about five weeks then a lot start getting bored.

This is one of those hideously doctored photos using a ridiculously complex lens that creates a 'huge' foreshortening in the shot, hence the foreground is as much in focus as in the far distance. It's the same tactics the tabloids use in Brighton when we know, overhead shots in particular tell a completely different story. So yeah sure looks like a lot of people gathering, but the reality will be a lot different to this photo.

 

[atomised]

The main problem the government will now have when they finally ease the lockdown, I agree on 7/5 they will extend it for another 3 weeks to make us in lockdown for longer than any other country in the world, is persuading people to leave their homes at all. Such is the fear and panic out there now and Whitty ramping it up at every opportunity to say " this is just the start and will go and for years " and the fear of the second wave. I see it all the time on my social media, people demanding we stay in lockdown for 6 more months. They have opened a can of worms now, lawsuits about human rights being violated and lawsuits from people that might catch it if they return to work. They UK is a nation paralyzed with fear and how you change that, who knows ?

I think Whitty has made the mistake of ramping it up to such an extent that even those I know who were keen on easing back to some kind of normal are now terrified

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

The main problem the government will now have when they finally ease the lockdown, I agree on 7/5 they will extend it for another 3 weeks to make us in lockdown for longer than any other country in the world, is persuading people to leave their homes at all. Such is the fear and panic out there now and Whitty ramping it up at every opportunity to say " this is just the start and will go and for years " and the fear of the second wave. I see it all the time on my social media, people demanding we stay in lockdown for 6 more months. They have opened a can of worms now, lawsuits about human rights being violated and lawsuits from people that might catch it if they return to work. They UK is a nation paralyzed with fear and how you change that, who knows ?

We haven't had the longest lockdown. Italy had 9 weeks and Spain is still in Lockdown and must be approaching that. Both of their restrictions were far more Draconian than our own as well.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

This is one of those hideously doctored photos using a ridiculously complex lens that creates a 'huge' foreshortening in the shot, hence the foreground is as much in focus as in the far distance. It's the same tactics the tabloids use in Brighton when we know, overhead shots in particular tell a completely different story. So yeah sure looks like a lot of people gathering, but the reality will be a lot different to this photo.

This.

 

[Albion Dan]

The main problem the government will now have when they finally ease the lockdown, I agree on 7/5 they will extend it for another 3 weeks to make us in lockdown for longer than any other country in the world, is persuading people to leave their homes at all. Such is the fear and panic out there now and Whitty ramping it up at every opportunity to say " this is just the start and will go and for years " and the fear of the second wave. I see it all the time on my social media, people demanding we stay in lockdown for 6 more months. They have opened a can of worms now, lawsuits about human rights being violated and lawsuits from people that might catch it if they return to work. They UK is a nation paralyzed with fear and how you change that, who knows ?

It's interesting that the mood in London seems the opposite but then impact on regionality is bound to shape opinion. London runs on the hospitality industry and people are obviously used to a different lifestyle with a probably younger demographic than most of Sussex. Will be interesting to see what is announced as government departments have been telling us to plan for a mid March relaxation.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

The main problem the government will now have when they finally ease the lockdown, I agree on 7/5 they will extend it for another 3 weeks to make us in lockdown for longer than any other country in the world, is persuading people to leave their homes at all. Such is the fear and panic out there now and Whitty ramping it up at every opportunity to say " this is just the start and will go and for years " and the fear of the second wave. I see it all the time on my social media, people demanding we stay in lockdown for 6 more months. They have opened a can of worms now, lawsuits about human rights being violated and lawsuits from people that might catch it if they return to work. They UK is a nation paralyzed with fear and how you change that, who knows ?

Spot on sir.

We will have people refusing to go back and we will have people playing the system for benefits pretending to be too scared.

Very rarely I agree with Ian Duncan Smith, but he was saying much the same.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Firsts death in France being reported as now being in Dec 27th....

 

[Albion Dan]

I think Whitty has made the mistake of ramping it up to such an extent that even those I know who were keen on easing back to some kind of normal are now terrified

Without wanting to open up conspiracy theory again I do think the likes of Whitty and Fauci are served by a certain amount of self interest to navigate to the outcome that serves their preferred agenda which is create demand for the mandatory vaccine solution, get it accepted, which needs people being scared and to be as disrupted as possible util that point. He's previously been awarded £30m by Bill Gates for research so have concerns that he's just going to regurgitate the Gates narrative regardless of any other options.

 

[BeHereNow]

This is Christopher Street, New York yesterday.

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I think the psychologists were right. People will tolerate the lockdown for about five weeks then a lot start getting bored.

This is where I’m at with the whole thing...but it’s all just tinfoil hat conspiracy theory stuff, eh?

https://youtu.be/HBWWqCYDyHw

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

We haven't had the longest lockdown. Italy had 9 weeks and Spain is still in Lockdown and must be approaching that. Both of their restrictions were far more Draconian than our own as well.

We will have the longest when it is extended for another 3 weeks on Tthursday and ok, we have been allowed out but there is nothing open and nothing to do so yes it is very draconian

 

[CheeseRolls]

I will just leave this here. A list of all the scientific advisors per committee, except those who didn't want there names in public.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...f-participants-of-sage-and-related-sub-groups

 

[beorhthelm]

We will have the longest when it is extended for another 3 weeks on Tthursday and ok, we have been allowed out but there is nothing open and nothing to do so yes it is very draconian

wouldnt expect another 3 weeks as we are, there will be a lot of easing to come in over the next few weeks.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

wouldnt expect another 3 weeks as we are, there will be a lot of easing to come in over the next few weeks.

Will there ? Personally I don't think the government have a fcking clue what to do next and as I said the majority of the UK population will ignore any easing and stay at home anyway as they are terrified. I have also noticed Boris seems to swerve the daily meetings now

 

[Butch Willykins]

I will just leave this here. A list of all the scientific advisors per committee, except those who didn't want there names in public.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...f-participants-of-sage-and-related-sub-groups

Outrageous. By the look of that list I bet they all have gardens.

 

[beorhthelm]

Will there ? Personally I don't think the government have a fcking clue what to do next and as I said the majority of the UK population will ignore any easing and stay at home anyway as they are terrified. I have also noticed Boris seems to swerve the daily meetings now

sounds perfect, lighten restrictions let the public ease themselves back in. those that want to self isolate can continue, those who need or want to get out more can. the talk in the news is about office space regulations, hours, how to manage transport. they wouldnt be talking about that if we're another 3 weeks from any change.

 

[Titanic]

List of participants of SAGE and related sub-groups
Published 4 May 2020

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...f-participants-of-sage-and-related-sub-groups

Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE)
SAGE provides scientific and technical advice to support government decision makers during emergencies. Find out more about SAGE.

Sir Patrick Vallance FMedSci FRS Government Chief Scientific Adviser
Professor Chris Whitty CB FMedSci Chief Medical Officer and Chief Scientific Adviser, Department of Health and Social Care
Professor John Aston Chief Scientific Adviser, Home Office
Professor Wendy Barclay FMedSci Imperial College London
Professor Phil Blythe Chief Scientific Adviser, Department for Transport
Professor Ian Boyd FRSE University of St Andrews
Professor Andrew Curran Chief Scientific Adviser, Health and Safety Executive
Dr Gavin Debrera Public Health England
Professor Sir Ian Diamond FRSE FBA National Statistician, Office for National Statistics
Professor Yvonne Doyle CB Medical Director, Public Health England
Professor John Edmunds OBE FMedSci London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine
Professor Sir Jeremy Farrar FMedSci FRS Director, Wellcome Trust
Professor Neil Ferguson OBE FMedSci Imperial College London
Dr Aidan Fowler FRCS National Health Service England
Professor Julia Gog University of Cambridge
Dr David Halpern Behavioural Insights Team, Cabinet Office
Dr Jenny Harries OBE Deputy Chief Medical Officer
Dr Demis Hassabis FRS Personal capacity as a data scientist
Professor Peter Horby University of Oxford
Dr Indra Joshi NHSx
Professor Dame Theresa Marteau FMedSci University of Cambridge
Professor Dame Angela McLean FRS Chief Scientific Adviser, Ministry of Defence
Professor Graham Medley London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine
Professor Andrew Morris FMedSci FRSE University of Edinburgh
Professor Carole Mundell Chief Scientific Adviser, Foreign and Commonwealth Office
Professor Cath Noakes University of Leeds
Dr Rob Orford Welsh Government
Professor Michael Parker University of Oxford
Professor Sharon Peacock FMedSci Public Health England
Professor Alan Penn Chief Scientific Adviser, Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government
Professor Steve Powis FRCP National Health Service England
Dr Mike Prentice National Health Service England
Mr Osama Rahman Chief Scientific Adviser, Department for Education
Professor Venki Ramakrishnan PRS Ex Officio as Chair of DELVE, convened by the Royal Society
Professor Andrew Rambaut FRSE University of Edinburgh
Professor Tom Rodden Chief Scientific Adviser, Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport
Professor Brooke Rogers OBE Kings College London
Dr James Rubin Kings College London
Professor Calum Semple University of Liverpool
Dr Mike Short CBE Chief Scientific Adviser, Department for International Trade
Dr Gregor Smith Scottish Government Chief Medical Officer
Professor Sir David Spieglhalter FRS University of Cambridge
Professor Jonathan Van Tam MBE Deputy Chief Medical Officer
Professor Russell Viner PRCPCH University College London
Professor Charlotte Watts CMG FMedSci Chief Scientific Adviser, Department for International Development
Professor Mark Walport FRCP FMedSci FRS UK Research and Innovation
Professor Mark Woolhouse FRSE University of Edinburgh
Professor Lucy Yardley University of Bristol
Professor Ian Young Northern Ireland Executive
Professor Maria Zambon FMedSci Public Health England
2 participants have not given permission to be named.

Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviours (SPI-B)
SPI-B provides advice aimed at anticipating and helping people adhere to interventions that are recommended by medical or epidemiological experts.

Dr Richard Amlôt Public Health England
Professor Imran Awar Birmingham City University
Professor Laura Bear London School of Economics
Professor Chris Bonell London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine
Dr Ellen Brooks-Pollock University of Bristol
Professor Val Curtis London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine
Professor Stephen David Reicher University of St Andrews
Dr Laura de Moliere Her Majesty’s Government
Professor John Drury University of Sussex
Dr Mark Egan Behavioural Insights Team
Professor Nicola Fear Kings College London
Dr David Halpern Behavioural Insights Team
Mr Hugo Harper Behavioural Insights Team
Dr Daniel Leightley Kings College London
Professor Dame Theresa Marteau University of Cambridge
Mr Shaun McNally Her Majesty’s Government
Professor G.J. Melendez-Torres University of Exeter
Professor Susan Michie University College London
Dr Gavin Morgan University College London
DCC Paul Netherton Devon and Cornwall Police
Mr Richard Pemberton British Psychological Society
Dr Henry Potts University College London
Professor Brooke Rogers Kings College London
Dr James Rubin Kings College London
Ms Kathryn Scott British Psychological Society
Dr Louise Smith Kings College London
Mr Hugh Stickland Office for National Statistics
Professor Clifford Stott Keele University
Professor Russell Viner University College London
Dr Jo Waller Kings College London
Professor Charlotte Watts Chief Scientific Adviser, Department for International Development
Professor Robert West University College London
Professor Lucy Yardley University of Bristol
4 participants have not given permission to be named.

Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Modelling (SPI-M)
SPI-M gives expert advice to the Department of Health and Social Care and wider UK government on scientific matters relating to the UK’s response to an influenza pandemic (or other emerging human infectious disease threats). The advice is based on infectious disease modelling and epidemiology. Find out more about SPI-M.

Dr Marc Baguelin Imperial College London
Dr Paul Birrell Public Health England
Dr Joshua Blake University of Cambridge
Dr Veronica Bowman Her Majesty’s Government
Professor Stephen Brett Imperial College London
Dr Ellen Brooks-Pollock University of Bristol
Dr Andre Charlett Public Health England
Dr Leon Danon University of Exeter
Dr Nick Davies London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine
Dr Daniela DeAngelis University of Cambridge
Dr Louise Dyson University of Warwick
Professor John Edmunds London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine
Dr Rosalind Eggo London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine
Professor Neil Ferguson Imperial College London
Dr Thomas Finnie Public Health England
Dr Sebastian Funk London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine
Dr Nick Gent Public Health England
Professor Julia Gog University of Cambridge
Professor Nicholas Grassly Imperial College London
Dr Ian Hall University of Manchester
Dr Edward Hill University of Warwick
Dr Thomas House University of Manchester
Dr Michael J Tildesley University of Warwick
Dr Christopher Jewell Lancaster University
Professor Mark Jit London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine
Dr Thibaut Jombart London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine
Professor Matt Keeling University of Warwick
Dr Petra Klepac London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine
Dr Adam Kucharski London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine
Mr Jamie Lopez Bernal Public Health England
Professor Dame Angela McLean Chief Scientific Adviser, Ministry of Defence
Professor Graham Medley London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine
Dr Lorenzo Pellis University of Manchester
Dr Jonathan Read Lancaster University
Professor Steven Riley Imperial College London
Professor Chris Robertson University of Strathclyde
Dr Julie Robotham Public Health England
Dr James Rubin Kings College London
Dr Edwin Van Leeuwen Public Health England
Dr Marc Warner Faculty, on behalf of NHSx
Professor Mark Woolhouse University of Edinburgh
Professor Lucy Yardley University of Bristol
6 participants have not given permission to be named.

PHE Serology Working Group
The Serology Working Group provides oversight of sero-epidemiology work for COVID-19 in England and partners with international colleagues, including the WHO, on these serological studies. The group monitors and reviews work on the establishment and running of population-based seroprevalence surveys in England. Sero-epidemiology is crucial in informing our understanding of the extent of transmission of SARS-CoV-2, and to monitor how this changes over time.

Mr Gayatri Amirthalingam Public Health England
Dr Marc Baguelin London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine
Professor Wendy Barclay Imperial College London
Dr Rupert Beale Francis Crick Institute
Dr Tim Brooks Public Health England
Dr Mary De Silva Wellcome Trust
Professor Sir Jeremy Farrar Wellcome Trust
Professor Paul Kellam Imperial College London and Kymab Ltd
Professor Sharon Peacock Public Health England
Ms Mary Ramsey Public Health England
Professor Gavin Screaton University of Oxford
Dr Edwin Van Leeuwen Public Health England
5 participants have not given permission to be named.

COVID-19 Clinical Information Network (CO-CIN)
CO-CIN collates clinical information from the usual health care records of people of all ages admitted to hospital in the UK to characterise the clinical features of patients with severe COVID-19 in the UK.

Dr Kenneth Baillie University of Edinburgh
Dr Annemarie Docherty University of Edinburgh
Dr Chris Green University of Birmingham
Professor Ewen Harrison University of Edinburgh
Professor Peter Horby University of Oxford
Professor Peter Openshaw Imperial College London
Professor Calum Semple University of Edinburgh
Professor Wei Shen Lim University of Nottingham
Professor Jonathan Van Tam Deputy Chief Medical Officer
Environmental Working Group
The purpose of this group is to identify and steer the role that environmental modelling, data analysis and environmental sampling can play in understanding COVID-19 transmission, with a view to understanding transmission routes, factors that influence this and the impact of environmental and behavioural interventions and mitigations at a mechanistic level.

Dr Alexander Allen National Health Service
Professor Phil Blythe Chief Scientific Adviser, Department for Transport
Dr Andrew Curran Chief Scientific Adviser, Health and Safety Executive
Mr Adrian Eggleton National Health Service
Dr Shaun Fitzgerald University of Cambridge
Dr Ian Hall University of Manchester
Dr Ben Killingley National Health Service
Professor Dame Theresa Marteau University of Cambridge
Professor Cath Noakes University of Leeds
Professor Alan Penn Chief Scientific Adviser
Professor Harry Rutter University of Bath
Dr Tim Sharpe University of Strathclyde
Dr Danielle Solomon National Health Service
Professor Mark Wilcox University of Leeds
Also attended by representatives of the Royal Academy of Engineering.

Children’s Task and Finish Working Group
The group provides consolidated scientific health advice to government. Subject advice focuses on the transmission of COVID-19 in children and within schools, ensuring research questions are fed into relevant studies and UKRI/ funders for new funding.

Professor Laura Bear London School of Economics
Professor Chris Bonnell London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine
Dr Ellen Brooks-Pollock University of Bristol
Professor John Edmunds London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine
Dr Rosalind Eggo London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine
Dr Thomas Finnie Public Health England
Ms Clementine Fu Her Majesty’s Government
Professor Julia Gog University of Cambridge
Professor Peter Horby University of Oxford
Dr Thomas House University of Manchester
Dr Lorna Howarth Her Majesty’s Government
Dr Michael J Tildesley University of Warwick
Professor G. J. Melendez University of Exeter
Professor Matt Keeling University of Warwick
Dr Petra Klepac London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine
Professor Graham Medley London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine
Dr Gavin Morgan University College London
Professor Cath Noakes University of Leeds
Professor Michael Parker University of Oxford
Dr Lorenzo Pellis University of Manchester
Mr Osama Rahman Chief Scientific Adviser, Department for Education
Dr Jonathan Read Lancaster University
Professor Steven Riley Imperial College London
Professor Brooke Rogers Kings College London
Dr Edwin Van Leeuwen Public Health England
Professor Russell Viner University College London
Mr John Watkins Welsh Government
Professor Charlotte Watts Chief Scientific Adviser, Department for International Development
Professor Lucy Yardley University of Bristol
7 participants have not given permission to be named.

Hospital Onset COVID-19 Working Group
This working group focuses on hospital-onset COVID-19 infection (HOCI) and its purpose is to provide thought leadership, direction to analysis and precipitate policy change and interventions that lead to a rapid and sustained reduction in the rate of HOCI.

Mr Alexander Allen Public Health Registrar
Dr Meera Chand Public Health England
Dr Aidan Fowler National Health Service England
Professor Alison Holmes Imperial College London
Dr Russell Hope Public Health England
Dr Susan Hopkins Public Health England
Professor Nick Lemoine National Institute for Health Research
Dr Kiran Loi National Health Service England
Ms Ruth May National Health Service England
Professor Graham Medley London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine
Professor Cath Noakes University of Leeds
Professor Sharon Peacock Public Health England
Dr James Price Imperial College London
Dr Lisa Ritchie National Health Service England
Dr Julie Robotham Public Health England
Professor Calum Semple University of Liverpool
Ms Sue Tranka National Health Service England
Ms Karen Turner National Health Service England
Dr Ben Warne Cambridge University Hospitals
Professor Mark Wilcox University of Leeds

 

[BN41Albion]

This is Christopher Street, New York yesterday.

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I think the psychologists were right. People will tolerate the lockdown for about five weeks then a lot start getting bored.

Wow, NY as well. Far more people well and truly given up - or not caring - in the USA compared to elsewhere it seems

 

[Napper]

This is Christopher Street, New York yesterday.

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I think the psychologists were right. People will tolerate the lockdown for about five weeks then a lot start getting bored.

Pride went ahead then

 

[The Wizard]

Weekend number as usual but deaths update from National health agencies of each country

England 204(hospitals only)
Scotland 5
Wales 14
NI - 5

Around 228, Extremely low, last Monday was 360 hospitals only.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Our lodger has just come back from her cleaning job from a manufacturing company that’s been open during lock down.

The office she works in has told furlough staff they are expected back next week.

Some of the staff asked to be furloughed again and the company refused and they said they needed everyone back to ramp everything back up.

Some of the staff said they didn’t feel safe, the company said if they didn’t turn up they would go down as AWOL and will go down the disciplinary route.