[Albion] Maguire v Dunk

[Stat Brother]

You'd think it would be stating the obvious, but the OP and several others don't agree...

What was the other thing Pickford's 3 outstanding saves had in common?

Maguire is the big boy who has got the shirt, and isn't doing enough to lose it, well done him.

For all I know if Maguire attempted to send the ball out to a wide open Trippier Southgate would like to him off the pitch.
We all know Dunk couldn't resist such a pass.
He certainly couldn't spend all game just passing to Stones or Pickford.

 

[stss30]

What was the other thing Pickford's 3 outstanding saves had in common?

Maguire is the big boy who has got the shirt, and isn't doing enough to lose it, well done him.

For all I know if Maguire attempted to send the ball out to a wide open Trippier Southgate would like to him off the pitch.
We all know Dunk couldn't resist such a pass.
He certainly couldn't spend all game just passing to Stones or Pickford.

You skated over the part Maguire scored a crucial bullet header to give England the lead and stop Sweden parking the bus? Or is that part of just doing enough not to lose the shirt?

 

[Stat Brother]

You skated over the part Maguire scored a crucial bullet header to give England the lead and stop Sweden parking the bus? Or is that part of just doing enough not to lose the shirt?

Just like you skated over his defensive shortcomings.

 

[stss30]

Just like you skated over his defensive shortcomings.

You are being hyper critical if you think he made many defensive errors in that game. Gave Sweden a free kick on the edge at 2-0, but as I said his involvement was crucial and was one of the candidates for man of the match, yet again.

You are just digging yourself a hole if you can't admit he is a class above Dunk.

 

[Stat Brother]

You are being hyper critical if you think he made many defensive errors in that game. Gave Sweden a free kick on the edge at 2-0, but as I said his involvement was crucial and was one of the candidates for man of the match, yet again.

You are just digging yourself a hole if you can't admit he is a class above Dunk.

Someone on this thread put it best when they said words to the effect of 'he doesn't have to be a class above Dunk, he just needs to be good enough to keep the shirt'.
A fact that has never been in doubt, a fact I have repeatedly mirrored on here, and fact you kindly even highlighted for me.

Again as others have said hopeful Dunk will get into the squad via a Jones/Cahill route, but even then he'll still be against Maguire for what I assume would be his preferred place in the starting XI.

Maguire isn't doing anything to lose the shirt, but imho doesn't have a firm grasp, begging the initial question got to wonder what else he has to do to get a look in.

If I was trying to tell you I was a little bit off on Trippier then by all means, fill your boots, if that makes you happy.

 

[stss30]

Doesn't have a firm grasp of the shirt? He's been one of the players of the tournament and we have reached the semi finals of the world cup. Even if he scored 2 own goals in the next game he would still be a firm starter. No point continuing the discussion.

 

[Stat Brother]

Doesn't have a firm grasp of the shirt? He's been one of the players of the tournament and we have reached the semi finals of the world cup. Even if he scored 2 own goals in the next game he would still be a firm starter. No point continuing the discussion.

My point exactly.

 

[Southern Scouse]

Not sure how anyone can compare Maguire to Dunk based on the currant showings.
To get the shirt, and then grow into it with such confidence and stature is a hard thing to do. Maybe Dunk could have done it, but I seriously doubt it.

 

[Weststander]

Doesn't have a firm grasp of the shirt? He's been one of the players of the tournament and we have reached the semi finals of the world cup. Even if he scored 2 own goals in the next game he would still be a firm starter. No point continuing the discussion.

Maguire, even before the WC, was and is a better CB and threat up front, than all the players mentioned, plus all of CPFC's CB's who leak goals with great regularity.

 

[Weststander]

Not sure how anyone can compare Maguire to Dunk based on the currant showings.
To get the shirt, and then grow into it with such confidence and stature is a hard thing to do. Maybe Dunk could have done it, but I seriously doubt it.

Exactly.

I don't know what they're smoking.

 

[Motogull]

Well I think that Dunk would have not looked out of place had he made the squad.

 

[Megazone]

Maguire and Dunk are both very comparable and for me, the 2 best centre backs. Can't wait to see them paired up with each other for England. Both great players, neither deserves criticism.

 

[Weststander]

Maguire and Dunk are both very comparable and for me, the 2 best centre backs. Can't wait to see them paired up with each other for England. Both great players, neither deserves criticism.

Neither deserve criticism is very true.

 

[Stat Brother]

Neither deserve criticism is very true.

Lucky neither have then isn't it?

 

[stss30]

Maguire and Dunk are both very comparable and for me, the 2 best centre backs. Can't wait to see them paired up with each other for England. Both great players, neither deserves criticism.

Completely agree that neither deserve criticism, but do you think Dunk is better than Stones? Not for me, maybe in a year or two with more experience in the Prem, with or without BHAFC.

 

[LVGull]

Maguire is England’s best player imo

 

[Seagulltonian]

Maguire and Dunk are both very comparable and for me, the 2 best centre backs. Can't wait to see them paired up with each other for England. Both great players, neither deserves criticism.

But with Brighton playing four across the back, and England three, I think Dunk didn't get selected for the England squad because of that reason?
If we start to play three across the back, then to my mind with the strides that Dunk has made, he would get into the squad as well all day long on merit?

 

[Weststander]

Lucky neither have then isn't it?

Post #122 you touched on "defensive shortcomings".

Apologies if you said that with irony.

 

[Weststander]

Maguire is England’s best player imo

With the brilliant Trippier.

 

[seagull_special]

Macguire has been brilliant at the back and in midfield, I wonder if the England performance will influence CH, will he revisit three across the back if he gets Moore?