I fully understand your point Withnail, but I think you'll find it's got something to do with not giving in to terrorism and all that. They dont want these murderers showing that they can disrupt EVERYONES lives by what they do. If this was to happen then it looks like they're winning. I'm not saying you're wrong, just saying the reasoning behind it.Withnail said:
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Magpies' mark of respect for Madrid victims
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Beach Hut
Brighton Bhuna Boy
It is a moot point after 09/11 I think some clubs played on the Tuesday in the Champions League but those games on the Wednesday were called off. Trouble is those that lost on the Tuesday complained.
You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere
You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere
desprateseagull
New member
politics at play?
apart from the fact that many fans from spain may already
be in transit, and to come again would be too costly, the eufa
may think its a show of strength against the terrorists?
dont even mention the loss of advertising revenue )boards on tv at the ground, and haldtime tv adverts as wel/...
just what would eufa have done anyway, if the teams refused
to play tonight?
putting sport before life (or death), to me, is sick. big business
calls the shots all the time nowadays it seems.
r.i.p.
apart from the fact that many fans from spain may already
be in transit, and to come again would be too costly, the eufa
may think its a show of strength against the terrorists?
dont even mention the loss of advertising revenue )boards on tv at the ground, and haldtime tv adverts as wel/...
just what would eufa have done anyway, if the teams refused
to play tonight?
putting sport before life (or death), to me, is sick. big business
calls the shots all the time nowadays it seems.
r.i.p.Sussex on Leith
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Toon fans observed the minute's silence impeccably, as they were always going to. Mallorca's fans as well.
It certainly wasn't the same at Parkhead, but the story from the Celtic fans is that a minority of Barca fans were chanting pro-ETA slogans, and that was what the Celtic fans were booing. I wasn't watching so can't be sure, but I could tell from the clips on SSN that it was far from silent.
It certainly wasn't the same at Parkhead, but the story from the Celtic fans is that a minority of Barca fans were chanting pro-ETA slogans, and that was what the Celtic fans were booing. I wasn't watching so can't be sure, but I could tell from the clips on SSN that it was far from silent.
Rusco
New member
I can understand why we have a minutes silence after such cowardly acts that were witnessed in Madrid yesterday. I think it is good to have a moment for reflection on what really does matter in life, but when a person dies who is associated with the game, or with a club in particular, I really believe a minute of applause would be a far more fitting tribute.
If you think about the recently departed John Charles, what could be more fitting for the mans contribution to the game and all his clubs, than all the fans applauding purely for him solidly for a minute.
Anyone else agree?
If you think about the recently departed John Charles, what could be more fitting for the mans contribution to the game and all his clubs, than all the fans applauding purely for him solidly for a minute.
Anyone else agree?
Dandyman
In London village.
from The Scotsman...
IF IT is possible to have your faith in the human spirit powerfully restored, and then torn away again within seconds, it happened at Parkhead last night.
On a day when football decided the best way to pay its respects to the victims of the Madrid atrocity was to play on in defiance of the terrorists, Barcelona’s much-anticipated visit to Glasgow had taken on a whole new perspective.
If there were still many reservations among the visiting camp over the virtue of UEFA’s edict that the UEFA Cup ties involving Spanish clubs would go ahead as planned, this most atmospheric of stadia nonetheless afforded an appropriate stage for a tribute to those who had lost their lives.
The Celtic PA announcer declared that the club’s adopted anthem You’ll Never Walk Alone would be dedicated to the Madrid victims. Seldom, if ever, has the sea of green and white scarves provided a more poignant backdrop to Rodgers and Hammerstein’s spinetingling standard as it was sung with genuine feeling by the home support.
Frank Rijkaard, the Barcelona coach, looked visibly moved and applauded the Celtic fans as the last notes hung in the air. Sadly, Rijkaard and the rest of his club’s officials then had cause to stare at the ground in embarrassment as a small section of the 3,500 travelling support disfigured the minute’s silence which followed.
Hardly had German referee Wolfgang Stark blown his whistle to signify the traditional display of respect, when shouts began to ring out from the corner of the ground hosting the Catalan visitors. Despite efforts from many of their companions, and angry reproaches from many Celtic fans, the harsh-throated interruptions continued.
At best it was ignorance, at worst some sick sign of approval of what had occurred in the Spanish capital. Whatever it was, it left a sour taste and forced the referee to call a premature halt to the ‘silence’.
It can only be hoped those at St James’ Park in Newcastle, El Madrigal in Villarreal and the 19 May Stadium in Ankara, the other grounds featuring Spanish clubs last night, were observed with more dignity.
The giant screens inside Parkhead had carried a reminder, in English and Spanish, that the minute’s silence would be observed prior to kick-off. It was hardly required. There could not have been a soul arriving in the ground unaware of the horrific events in Madrid which had graphically dominated the television and radio news bulletins through the day.
The seven flags on top of the North Stand fluttered at half mast in an icy breeze, UEFA’s Fair Play banner among them. It was those who run European football from Nyon in Switzerland who had made the decision that their show must go on, despite requests from the four Spanish clubs left in the UEFA Cup that their ties should be postponed in the circumstances.
Jaime Orti, the president of Valencia, articulated the feelings of his nation as he digested news of the Madrid atrocity in Ankara where his club were facing Turkish side Genclerbirligi. Clearly, Orti simply wanted to round up his players and catch the first available flight home.
"This is a tragic day for Spain," said Orti. "It’s a day when we can hardly be thinking about football and we believe that neither the players nor the clubs are ready to play these games."
Joan Laporte, the Barcelona president, had made a similar request which was fully supported by Celtic. Officials of Real Mallorca, in England to face Newcastle, and Villarreal, who played host to Roma, followed suit. UEFA, however, decided after a couple of hours of deliberation that the ties must be played as a sign of football’s solidarity and determination to keep the disruption to normal life caused by the terrorists to a minimum.
Lars-Christer Olsson, UEFA’s Swedish chief executive, said: "The events of this morning are tragic and shocking, and on behalf of UEFA I would like to offer our sincere condolences to all those individuals and families involved. Our thoughts and hearts are with the victims of these dreadful attacks at this time.
"By playing the games tonight under these difficult circumstances, we hope to show to the world the true spirit of fair play and respect in football."
However defiant football chooses to be, however, there are now growing fears that the sport will be targeted directly by those seeking to leave their ugly imprint on the world.
Across the border from Spain, the Portuguese authorities are aware this summer’s European Championship finals could be viewed as just such a vehicle by the terrorists.
Lieutenant-General Leonel de Carvalho, head of security for the Portuguese government, observed: "The events in Madrid are one more call for attention that more care is taken at Euro 2004. We have no plans to change our security arrangements for the tournament but this shows that there is every need for them to be as tight as we plan."
IF IT is possible to have your faith in the human spirit powerfully restored, and then torn away again within seconds, it happened at Parkhead last night.
On a day when football decided the best way to pay its respects to the victims of the Madrid atrocity was to play on in defiance of the terrorists, Barcelona’s much-anticipated visit to Glasgow had taken on a whole new perspective.
If there were still many reservations among the visiting camp over the virtue of UEFA’s edict that the UEFA Cup ties involving Spanish clubs would go ahead as planned, this most atmospheric of stadia nonetheless afforded an appropriate stage for a tribute to those who had lost their lives.
The Celtic PA announcer declared that the club’s adopted anthem You’ll Never Walk Alone would be dedicated to the Madrid victims. Seldom, if ever, has the sea of green and white scarves provided a more poignant backdrop to Rodgers and Hammerstein’s spinetingling standard as it was sung with genuine feeling by the home support.
Frank Rijkaard, the Barcelona coach, looked visibly moved and applauded the Celtic fans as the last notes hung in the air. Sadly, Rijkaard and the rest of his club’s officials then had cause to stare at the ground in embarrassment as a small section of the 3,500 travelling support disfigured the minute’s silence which followed.
Hardly had German referee Wolfgang Stark blown his whistle to signify the traditional display of respect, when shouts began to ring out from the corner of the ground hosting the Catalan visitors. Despite efforts from many of their companions, and angry reproaches from many Celtic fans, the harsh-throated interruptions continued.
At best it was ignorance, at worst some sick sign of approval of what had occurred in the Spanish capital. Whatever it was, it left a sour taste and forced the referee to call a premature halt to the ‘silence’.
It can only be hoped those at St James’ Park in Newcastle, El Madrigal in Villarreal and the 19 May Stadium in Ankara, the other grounds featuring Spanish clubs last night, were observed with more dignity.
The giant screens inside Parkhead had carried a reminder, in English and Spanish, that the minute’s silence would be observed prior to kick-off. It was hardly required. There could not have been a soul arriving in the ground unaware of the horrific events in Madrid which had graphically dominated the television and radio news bulletins through the day.
The seven flags on top of the North Stand fluttered at half mast in an icy breeze, UEFA’s Fair Play banner among them. It was those who run European football from Nyon in Switzerland who had made the decision that their show must go on, despite requests from the four Spanish clubs left in the UEFA Cup that their ties should be postponed in the circumstances.
Jaime Orti, the president of Valencia, articulated the feelings of his nation as he digested news of the Madrid atrocity in Ankara where his club were facing Turkish side Genclerbirligi. Clearly, Orti simply wanted to round up his players and catch the first available flight home.
"This is a tragic day for Spain," said Orti. "It’s a day when we can hardly be thinking about football and we believe that neither the players nor the clubs are ready to play these games."
Joan Laporte, the Barcelona president, had made a similar request which was fully supported by Celtic. Officials of Real Mallorca, in England to face Newcastle, and Villarreal, who played host to Roma, followed suit. UEFA, however, decided after a couple of hours of deliberation that the ties must be played as a sign of football’s solidarity and determination to keep the disruption to normal life caused by the terrorists to a minimum.
Lars-Christer Olsson, UEFA’s Swedish chief executive, said: "The events of this morning are tragic and shocking, and on behalf of UEFA I would like to offer our sincere condolences to all those individuals and families involved. Our thoughts and hearts are with the victims of these dreadful attacks at this time.
"By playing the games tonight under these difficult circumstances, we hope to show to the world the true spirit of fair play and respect in football."
However defiant football chooses to be, however, there are now growing fears that the sport will be targeted directly by those seeking to leave their ugly imprint on the world.
Across the border from Spain, the Portuguese authorities are aware this summer’s European Championship finals could be viewed as just such a vehicle by the terrorists.
Lieutenant-General Leonel de Carvalho, head of security for the Portuguese government, observed: "The events in Madrid are one more call for attention that more care is taken at Euro 2004. We have no plans to change our security arrangements for the tournament but this shows that there is every need for them to be as tight as we plan."
SM BHAFC
New member
No doubt those that were shouting during the silence at Parkhead were wrong, but the Barca fans and the Catalan people have good reason to have a hatred of Madrid and many of it's people. It is not really an ETA thing that is basque, Barcalona is not basque but they share a common hatred of Madrid going back to Franco's time.
Even though yesterday's events in Madrid were terrible some Barca fans probably had parents and grandparents murdered by Franco and Madrid was pretty much Franco, he pretty much tried to wipe the Catalan dialect, culture and people of the face of the planet. It was ethnic cleansing. I am not an expert on this but I have a (Gibrlatarian/Spanish) mother and a uncle from Madrid who fought against Franco when he was in a very small minority in his own city. (he eventually had to leave and come to UK obviously)
Not condoning the booing just putting some context there.
Even though yesterday's events in Madrid were terrible some Barca fans probably had parents and grandparents murdered by Franco and Madrid was pretty much Franco, he pretty much tried to wipe the Catalan dialect, culture and people of the face of the planet. It was ethnic cleansing. I am not an expert on this but I have a (Gibrlatarian/Spanish) mother and a uncle from Madrid who fought against Franco when he was in a very small minority in his own city. (he eventually had to leave and come to UK obviously)
Not condoning the booing just putting some context there.
fatbadger
New member
SM - you are right to point all of this out. The Basques and the Catalans together have suffered dreadfully at the hands of the Spanish state - particularly Franco, and Barca are pretty much the public face of anti-Francoism (which is why they are my Euro team).
As you say, it doesn't condone what happened, but it does contextualise it.
As you say, it doesn't condone what happened, but it does contextualise it.
Ex Shelton Seagull
New member
Before yesterdays attacks, the worst attack ETA carried out was the bombing of a supermarket which killed 21 people in.....Barcelona.
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
Sorry but relating this issue to the Spanish civil war isn't going to work. The were out of order .. end of story.
The anomosity between Catalunians and Castillians has been going on for centuries, Franco was not a Castillian ... he was unfortunately a Galician from El Ferrol which is just round the corner from A Coruna. Franco did what all leaders do in Civil wars (hence why they are particularly vicious), he destroyed the opposition, Cataluna was very anti fascist, Barcelona was its capital .... I'm sure that if the republicans or Communist had won Madrid would have been flattened ....
Why are people of Galicia un-impressed with the rest of Spain .... well in the early twenties Spain was a great place to be ....except Galicia where the local population slowly ... starved to death. I once asked my mother about how bad the war was (she was five when it finished), she said (remembering her brothers and sisters) we starved before the war, we starved during the war and we starved after ......
ETA don't care if its Castilan, Cataluna .. any target will do.
The anomosity between Catalunians and Castillians has been going on for centuries, Franco was not a Castillian ... he was unfortunately a Galician from El Ferrol which is just round the corner from A Coruna. Franco did what all leaders do in Civil wars (hence why they are particularly vicious), he destroyed the opposition, Cataluna was very anti fascist, Barcelona was its capital .... I'm sure that if the republicans or Communist had won Madrid would have been flattened ....
Why are people of Galicia un-impressed with the rest of Spain .... well in the early twenties Spain was a great place to be ....except Galicia where the local population slowly ... starved to death. I once asked my mother about how bad the war was (she was five when it finished), she said (remembering her brothers and sisters) we starved before the war, we starved during the war and we starved after ......
ETA don't care if its Castilan, Cataluna .. any target will do.
alan partridge
Active member
SM BHAFC said:
I remember a thread about Rememberance day where someone popped up with some 'context' and politics. You didn't like that at all. Perhaps you've changed your views on the matter or maybe you just don't give a shit cos its not something that affects you.
BTW Madrid perhaps fought harder than any other city in Spain against Franco. He cartainly made it his home after the civil war but your assertion that Madrid was Franco is completely wrong.