Mac made the comment of saying he's joining Liverpool so they can help him win trophies, rather than the standard 'I am here to help the club win trophies'. He's going to have to have all that honesty knocked out of him, going forward 
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[Albion] Losing Macalister & Caicedo
- Thread starter moggy
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- Oct 17, 2008
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On a related aside, agents actually want the highest fee possible, as they usually take a percentage as the base of their facilitation fee. I.e Caicedo going for £80m is better financially for the player and the agent than £35m.
The flip side is when players are priced out of moves, it takes hot blood and big balls to stand your ground and say “f*** off” to lowball offers designed to unsettle a wantaway player.
If a club came in with £50m, the club would need to be clear and concise dealing with the agent/player/buying club that the fee in no way matches the club’s valuation (as with Cucurella/White) and he’ll be staying if we don’t get the desired figure.
It’s in everyone’s interest except the buying club for a transfer package to be as lucrative as possible.
The flip side is when players are priced out of moves, it takes hot blood and big balls to stand your ground and say “f*** off” to lowball offers designed to unsettle a wantaway player.
If a club came in with £50m, the club would need to be clear and concise dealing with the agent/player/buying club that the fee in no way matches the club’s valuation (as with Cucurella/White) and he’ll be staying if we don’t get the desired figure.
It’s in everyone’s interest except the buying club for a transfer package to be as lucrative as possible.
- Jul 6, 2011
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Two things. First I am rarely serious so will struggle here. Secondly, as you have already suggested, this boils down to semantics. We are in the same league next season so "possible" is a given (in theory if nothing else).
But how to quantify "serious possibility"? You have gone for "highly likely" which for some of us is maybe too strong. If we view it as a percentage chance (made up maths to come but bear with me) then we can ask what percentage qualifies as serious?
In our first season the possibility percentage would have been approaching 0. I trust no arguments here.
However at about the start of February this year, if memory serves, the possibility could have been argued to be as high as 60% in our favour. Based on relative points and form and so on. The actual number isn't important here so much as the contrast with 2017.
So did that peak possibility of 60% qualify as serious? I would argue yes.
But how about all while we were still ahead of them on points or within a win of overtaking them? Say a 50 or 40% chance, was it still serious then? I reckon yes still.
So at that point, whilst it was unlikely it was also still a serious possibility in my book.
For next season we won't start at 60% but nor would I rate it as 0% either. Say 10% at present.
Does a highly unlikely 10% qualify as serious? For some maybe anything above 0 is "serious" so even then it could be a yes.
Maybe you should have gone with "strong possibility" instead? Then it is a definitely "no" from me
Justice
Dangerous Idiot
This, Macalister won’t be giving a shit if his penalty kick knocks us out of the Europa league or whatever it might be whilst the Amex is politely clapping him.Is it childish that posts like ‘enjoy him Liverpool’ etc are really pissing me off
Like it or not if we are going to progress as a club the signs from last season show we will be competing with them, small club mentality some of our fans have, I wish Alexis well but f**k Liverpool.
He’s a good guy but we play sport to win and as Potters Chelsea proved away players don’t like a hostile atmosphere for 90 mins. Heckle his every touch put him off his game he’s no longer a BHA player.
After we win clap him as much as you want to.
Don’t get some fans.
Mancgull
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We will want top dollar for Moises. At least £80m.
Rice to Arsenal looks likely so that may then price them out of Caicedo this summer.
This would leave Chelsea as the club leading the chase for Moises.
2 questions; can they afford him with their FFP restrictions?
Does Moises want to go there with his heart allegedly set on joining Arsenal?
So maybe we see him for another year unless Chelsea offer Colwill and £40/£50m which I think we’d take.
Rice to Arsenal looks likely so that may then price them out of Caicedo this summer.
This would leave Chelsea as the club leading the chase for Moises.
2 questions; can they afford him with their FFP restrictions?
Does Moises want to go there with his heart allegedly set on joining Arsenal?
So maybe we see him for another year unless Chelsea offer Colwill and £40/£50m which I think we’d take.
Machiavelli
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This might make things murkier, but my reading of the Caicedo situation is somewhat different to yours. You seem to be of the view that the club hold on the cards on this. I don't. Players and their agents tend to hold at least some of the cards here.
What do we know? Moises put in a transfer request in Jan. Moises signed a new contract in Feb. RDZ has repeated on multiple occasions -- both before and after Jan -- that he thinks Moises should stay in Jan, and it'd be better for him to sign for a new club in the summer window.
We of course know some other stuff, but it's that that stands out for me.
Uh_huh_him
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- Sep 28, 2011
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Yeah I agree with this.
It just doesn't feel like there is any agreement to let Moises go.
If Agent and Player had been given similar assurances to Mac, you would have thought there would have been more noise about it.
Clearly there isn't a release "mechanism" in place, or if there is, it is set so high it hasn't been triggered yet.
The Fits
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- Jun 29, 2020
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Or it's set for next summer.
Nobby Cybergoat
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Re us up against Liverpool next season.
I genuinely wouldn't swap their team for ours. We're just the better side in my view.
But refs on the pitch and at Stockley Park will give Liverpool 5 to 10 points and take 5 to 10 from us next season in exactly the same way as they did this season.
In addition, the last month of the season gave me genuine reason to believe we will struggle with the number of fixtures we're going to get, even if we can beef up the squad a little bit.
Any further losses of key players, like Moises, and the chances of finishing above the scousers goes from low, to almost impossible. There are some players you just can't replace.
I genuinely wouldn't swap their team for ours. We're just the better side in my view.
But refs on the pitch and at Stockley Park will give Liverpool 5 to 10 points and take 5 to 10 from us next season in exactly the same way as they did this season.
In addition, the last month of the season gave me genuine reason to believe we will struggle with the number of fixtures we're going to get, even if we can beef up the squad a little bit.
Any further losses of key players, like Moises, and the chances of finishing above the scousers goes from low, to almost impossible. There are some players you just can't replace.
Cheeky Monkey
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- Jul 17, 2003
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Omid Djalili saying on TS it's such a shame Mac going to Pool as we were so good against his Chelsea we could have won the Champions League, Mac pivotal in our success. (And he was being serious)
R5 reporting 35 million 'going up to 55'. I'm not happy with that, although it seems about right.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Tell that to Tony
Alexis Mac Allister completes Liverpool move
Midfielder departs Albion after four-and-a-half years.
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Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
We don't you boo and heckle every player's touch then?
Sheebo
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- Jul 13, 2003
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Don’t be alarmed as I have a feeling this is fake?! And I’ll remove it so not to alarm once people confirm it. I was out the country last week and don’t use Facebook so can’t check - but a friend sent me this - is it real yey or ney pls - I’d forgotten all about it…
If fake I will give him pelters don’t worry…
I was sent it last Monday if that helps…
If fake I will give him pelters don’t worry…
I was sent it last Monday if that helps…
There's a space before a comma so I recon it was put up by Alfredmizen aka Fredbinney aka (etc etc).
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Sheebo
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- Jul 13, 2003
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I asked a mate to check and he said it’s on there but it’s an edited version - I did ask if that’s really him and his account and he said he doesn’t know… pretty sure it’s someone (oddly!) pretending my to be him or editing an original post or something. Thought nsc would have blown up if this were true - and can’t see Moises being that unprofessional again…
- Jul 6, 2011
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The big clue is he is under 30 and so would be extremely unlikely to spend a second on Facebook. It is for old people these days.
His first port of call is more likely to be Instagram same as "he" did in January.