[Football] Liverpool v Man City, Wembley

[Weststander]

My anti Liverpool bias took over and I refused to reconise them

No doubt made worse by:

 

[GT49er]

Ridiculous that Liverpool and Man. City have have to travel hundreds of miles to play in the FA's white elephant vanity project. Should be at OT (and yes, fixtures could be moved if they wanted to) or Villa Park (a satisfactory semi-final venue for many years in pre-Vanity Project days).

The trains thing puzzles me a bit. There are no direct trains from Manchester and Liverpool to London, and I've seen it quoted that fans would have to make complex rail journeys to get there - so why aren't the clubs hiring trains, or arranging specials? Presumably the closures are on the WCML - but there are variious route possiblities down to Birmingham, from where they could use the Chiltern line to Marylebone - stopping right outside Wembley stadium.
All those trains that would normally have been running on the WCML should be available - so, why not put on special direct through trains, using lines that aren't closed for the weekend?

 

[portlock seagull]

Screw Wembley making a loss as a reason to they must play there, it’s Wembley’s fault and total mismanagement of hundreds of millions over decades. How long is that broken record going to be played? Should have more than paid it off by now, get the semis back to the regions and leave the final only at Wembley. And if Wembley goes bust then so bloody what. FA and PL have destroyed all that’s good about the Cup and international football. Their bed. Let em lie in it. The shysters! The only people really affected are the billionaires that own it and have their greedy shouts in the trough. This sorts can certainly afford to take a hit of a few hundred million. And besides, they never do, it’s always tax payers who cough up when proverbial hits the fan.

 

[Springal]

Screw Wembley making a loss as a reason to they must play there, it’s Wembley’s fault and total mismanagement of hundreds of millions over decades. How long is that broken record going to be played? Should have more than paid it off by now, get the semis back to the regions and leave the final only at Wembley. And if Wembley goes bust then so bloody what. FA and PL have destroyed all that’s good about the Cup and international football. Their bed. Let em lie in it. The shysters! The only people really affected are the billionaires that own it and have their greedy shouts in the trough. This sorts can certainly afford to take a hit of a few hundred million. And besides, they never do, it’s always tax payers who cough up when proverbial hits the fan.

Which billionaires that have their greedy (snouts?) in the trough own the FA?

 

[zefarelly]

semi should be played at Bury, gate receipts to be used to ressurect the club.

 

[portlock seagull]

Which billionaires that have their greedy (snouts?) in the trough own the FA?

All the capitalist venturers, I’m including them as collateral. Besides, anyone on the FA is going to be very wealthy by fact they got the role. Along with dozens of other executive directorships no doubt. Old boys club still I’m afraid.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

On top of the huge unnecessary cost and inconvenience to tens of thousands of fans, having to travel 200 miles for a game against a team down the road, there is the issue of the environmental cost of all those pointless car and bus journeys. I’m sure the FA, the PL, and even Wembley, each have a thorough and wide-ranging Environmental Policy, written by expensive consultants, and displayed proudly in their boardrooms and on their websites.

All of which means **** all, when to follow the spirit of them would mean losing a solitary tenner.

In the current climate (in every sense) playing a game like this in London (more so in light of the train situation, but anyway) is completely unjustifiable.

In fact, I thought I'd take a look...

From the FA site:


https://www.thefa.com/about-football-association/what-we-do/sustainability

"Sustainability has been a key issue for The FA Group since the new Wembley Stadium opened its doors to the sporting public and music fans in 2007 for Live Earth. We developed our first sustainability strategy in 2009, Wembley Stadium became the first sporting venue to achieve the Carbon Trust Triple Standard in 2014, we installed almost 1,000 solar panels at St. George’s Park in 2015 and we achieved certification to ISO 20121 for our event sustainability management system for Wembley Stadium in 2019.

SUSTAINABILITY GOVERNANCE

Our sustainability strategy is governed by FAST, The FA Group’s Sustainability Team.

FAST is a group of passionate employees from across the business keen to continuously improve the way that we work. They drive progress on a range of issues, from energy and waste to community and wellbeing."


From the Wembley 'Sustainability Policy':

"Our Policy
The FA Group recognises that our major events have positive and negative environmental, social
and economic impacts. Through evaluation of global and sector sustainability trends, and
stakeholder priorities, we have identified the following impact areas as key to address for 2021:
climate action, energy use, transport, waste, water use, local communities, diversity equality &
inclusivity, plastic use, transparency & communication, human rights, and occupational health &
safety. We aim to manage our impacts and improve our performance in sustainable event
management by adhering to all applicable requirements of the ISO 20121 standard and aligning
our operations with this standard. "

 

[Springal]

In fact, I thought I'd take a look...

From the FA site:


https://www.thefa.com/about-football-association/what-we-do/sustainability

"Sustainability has been a key issue for The FA Group since the new Wembley Stadium opened its doors to the sporting public and music fans in 2007 for Live Earth. We developed our first sustainability strategy in 2009, Wembley Stadium became the first sporting venue to achieve the Carbon Trust Triple Standard in 2014, we installed almost 1,000 solar panels at St. George’s Park in 2015 and we achieved certification to ISO 20121 for our event sustainability management system for Wembley Stadium in 2019.

SUSTAINABILITY GOVERNANCE

Our sustainability strategy is governed by FAST, The FA Group’s Sustainability Team.

FAST is a group of passionate employees from across the business keen to continuously improve the way that we work. They drive progress on a range of issues, from energy and waste to community and wellbeing."


From the Wembley 'Sustainability Policy':

"Our Policy
The FA Group recognises that our major events have positive and negative environmental, social
and economic impacts. Through evaluation of global and sector sustainability trends, and
stakeholder priorities, we have identified the following impact areas as key to address for 2021:
climate action, energy use, transport, waste, water use, local communities, diversity equality &
inclusivity, plastic use, transparency & communication, human rights, and occupational health &
safety. We aim to manage our impacts and improve our performance in sustainable event
management by adhering to all applicable requirements of the ISO 20121 standard and aligning
our operations with this standard. "

What do Man City & Liverpool say about sustainability ? How many miles do they clock up flying around in a season? Or those lucrative pre season tours, mid season breaks etc ?

 

[Badger]

SUSTAINABILITY GOVERNANCE

Our sustainability strategy is governed by FAST, The FA Group’s Sustainability Team.

FAST is a group of passionate employees from across the business keen to continuously improve the way that we work. They drive progress on a range of issues, from energy and waste to community and wellbeing."

I assume they have another team called FAST BUCK, which can override any decision made by FAST.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

semi should be played at Bury, gate receipts to be used to ressurect the club.

£10,000 won't go a long way

 

[Weststander]

What do Man City & Liverpool say about sustainability ? How many miles do they clock up flying around in a season? Or those lucrative pre season tours, mid season breaks etc ?

But the vast CO2 emissions and pollution from 90,000 folk making a 400 mile round trip to Wembley is completely avoidable.

The FA could make the decision to reverse that now.

A simple decision, a big effect.

 

[Springal]

But the vast CO2 emissions and pollution from 90,000 folk making a 400 mile round trip to Wembley is completely avoidable.

The FA could make the decision to reverse that now.

A simple decision, a big effect.

Clubs have previously estimated only 10-15% travel by train

 

[Springal]

The FA are going to lay on 100 free coaches. So thats about 5000 out of 12,500 estimated to travel by train sorted

 

[crodonilson]

The FA are going to lay on 100 free coaches. So thats about 5000 out of 12,500 estimated to travel by train sorted

I think City have also organised 50 subsidised coaches @ £42.50 each for its supporters too.

 

[Is it PotG?]

I think City have also organised 50 subsidised coaches @ £42.50 each for its supporters too.

What's the full, standard fare? £45?

 

[babyshambles]

Was so much better when semi finals were on neutral grounds and the final at Wembley. I’d like to see this game being played in the north west.

 

[Springal]

Was so much better when semi finals were on neutral grounds and the final at Wembley. I’d like to see this game being played in the north west.

Where in the North West?

 

[Cheshire Cat]

M6 will be rammed all the way down.

Don't fancy the bit round Birmingham at all.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Where in the North West?

Macclesfield

 

[babyshambles]

Lots of good sized grounds in the north west to choose from Ewood Park, Turf Moor or even a trip to Yorkshire would be better, Elland Road or Hillsborough.