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Acker79

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Nothing but admiration for the majority of football fans that took a stand today.
Nothing but contempt for the absolute ***** that attacked the police hospitalizing two of them. As well as just being a hideous thing to do it gives the media the chance to paint all of the protesters as hooligans rather than caring passionate fans.

Do we know that definitely happened? I mean, With susex police having to apologise for claiming palace fans had knuckledusters, and the recent protests in Bristol with the avon police having to retract their claim that police officers suffered broken bones, should we just accept police claims?
 




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Weststander

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Do we know that definitely happened? I mean, With susex police having to apologise for claiming palace fans had knuckledusters, and the recent protests in Bristol with the avon police having to retract their claim that police officers suffered broken bones, should we just accept police claims?

I believe the police. There’s a copper in hospital tonight with his or her face slashed.

“Those in the stadium were evicted by officers but outside on the forecourt hostility grew with bottles and barriers being thrown at officers and horses. Two officers have been injured with one officer being attacked with a bottle and sustaining a significant slash wound to his face, requiring emergency hospital treatment”.
 




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You trying to give a history lesson to The Henfield One is genuinely one of the funniest things I've ever read on NSC.

Also, your memories of the era are pretty hazy because you stopped going, remember?

Luckily others hung around to carry the fight...

I asked a question.

You were rude.

What's your problem?

I have an idea but I'll not share it.

The question is (well you can read it yourself).

:shrug:
 




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He didn’t get what he wanted. Archer had to write off about £700k of debts owed to him when he left the club.

How much did he get for the Goldstone?
 


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the rule changes that now prevent owners selling grounds with no contingency is the primary lasting outcome. Er very flattering, but to my knowledge this is not in place. I had suggested to Graham Kelly that the FA should put a charge against every league ground in the country - never happened.

Good effort, though. By you.

But I still haven't seen an answer to my original question (how did the pitch invasion secure Archer selling to Knight; in the context of today's protest that called of ManU's game. Oh, with added bloodshed, apparently - R5 report, haven't read all yet).

I have 12 replies to read and look forward to enlightenment wrt my question.

And I didn't ask it to be a prick. I am in favour of solutions to problems, not guestures and emoting. Archer was a problem. Glaziers are a problem. I would be delighted to engage with solutions.
 






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Oh dear.

I was at both York games and I remember thinking that the direct action was a fantastic statement and that it would surely impact on Archer's position. Imo it did in the end, amongst all the other activities of the time.

I don't believe there was violence or injury at the York game (?), to our credit, and while agreeing with the fans actions today I'm saddened to hear of injuries to the police.

And the evidence is?
 


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He didn’t get what he wanted. Archer had to write off about £700k of debts owed to him when he left the club.

Also, my original point was that pitch invasions do not as far as the evidence appears, to me, to trigger a rogue owner selling a club. That's all. The campaigns, the energy, was superb (I'll say 'so I'm told' to preclude being asked 'how do you know, you weren't there?') and not for a second would I not bow down to those who did it all.

I asked for evidence (see the question) and none has been forthcoming. Especially with respect to the case that matters - ours.

I will also not stoop to commenting with transparency on one of the funniest piece of 'I did it, it was all meeee' bollocks in the history of football. The person concerned will know to what I refer. Or perhaps he's forgotten, in what appears to be a silo of bitterness. It should have been all about the club, not who invented . . . . well that is enough. I suspect I may have to put someone who got me my Amex season ticket, and whose passport application endorsed, on ignore. A shame, but I don't like being attacked for asking a simple question.
 


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He didn’t get what he wanted. Archer had to write off about £700k of debts owed to him when he left the club.

Did Build A Bonfire cover the bigger financial picture of the series of underlying land deals?

Whether it did or didn’t, Archer gained far more than a £0.7m he didn’t get back.
 




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10 o'clock news on. Man U protest is the lead story. In a pandemic.

Anyone who can't see the value of the direct action isn't trying hard enough.
 


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I believe the police. There’s a copper in hospital tonight with his or her face slashed.

“Those in the stadium were evicted by officers but outside on the forecourt hostility grew with bottles and barriers being thrown at officers and horses. Two officers have been injured with one officer being attacked with a bottle and sustaining a significant slash wound to his face, requiring emergency hospital treatment”.

Those in favour of this sort of thing....will never win. This is not 'collateral damage'. Getting parasites like Archer and the Glazers out of football, in the long term, requires cleverness, not damaging people doing their job. This is not 1975, or 1989 or 1998.

Perhaps [MENTION=528]attila[/MENTION] was right when he suggested a new campaign/group 6 months or so ago. To keep an eye on things, was it not? I hope it wasn't just a campaign for real ale, and imagine it wasn't.

But he was flamed, so I recall.

Still waiting for an answer to my original question, btw.

:shrug:
 


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Football belongs to all of the people, and if someone comes along and tries to take it away, there will be civil unrest. Clever folk will look for clever ways to defeat the enemy, thicker folk will get angry and throw things about and possibly hurt people. It's not right, but I think it's an inevitable consequence.
 




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Football belongs to all of the people, and if someone comes along and tries to take it away, there will be civil unrest. Clever folk will look for clever ways to defeat the enemy, thicker folk will get angry and throw things about and possibly hurt people. It's not right, but I think it's an inevitable consequence.

Indeed.

I'm stil going to vote for the clever people though.
 


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10 o'clock news on. Man U protest is the lead story. In a pandemic.

Anyone who can't see the value of the direct action isn't trying hard enough.[

What has changed?
 


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Did Build A Bonfire cover the bigger financial picture of the series of underlying land deals?

Whether it did or didn’t, Archer gained far more than a £0.7m he didn’t get back.

This.

The conversion of the Goldstone to cash for Archer happened. Three point deduction notwthstanding. Archer didn't give a flying ****.

The best way to check whether you have won is to check your winnings.
 


BadFish

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IMHO without the publicity and the protests there's a strong chance DK never makes it to the negotiating table.
I was under the impression that the York protest was what finally made the FA start listening. Even if their first action to assist us was to deduct points.

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Guinness Boy

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What has changed?

:rolleyes:

Yeah, they've just packed up and gone.

Or, alternatively, the European Super League was defeated in about a day and cannot reasonably be brought back with English clubs involved, and the exit strategy of the Glazers who have got rich on Man United debt is basically scuppered.

I expect that would still have happened had everyone sat around on their sofas clapping like seals and not offending anyone though.

Anything for a quiet life.
 


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As opposed to our previous (but one) greed driven benefactor ???

How many of the 92 clubs are run by greedy owners? For that matter, how many of the 20 EPL clubs have fans who want to see the back of their owners? I'd hazard a guess that there are three in the EPL who vociferously want to get rid of their owners and the common denominator is the three are owned by Americans.

The football authorities need to bring in rules that will prevent this happening again however, bearing in mind the EPL had no contingency plans for any situation where a season may get curtailed, I'm not hopeful they'll have much success.
 


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