[Football] Liverpool and Manchester United lead ‘European League’ breakout league idea

[Billy the Fish]

Fecking media

Sanctimonious claptrap talked on the radio by Pat Nevin and the pundits saying the ground is sacrosanct and protests must always happen away from grounds. HORSESHIT.

Where we would be now if we fans did not invade the pitch, invade stands to get archer and bellotti out, bring whistles to games, protest and cause civil disobedience to be the ******** out

This is exactly what fan power is about.

Spot on. No doubt Utd fans will get some stick for this but I say good on them for at least trying to do something about it.

 

[drew]

Do you prefer the greed driven current model? Are you Paul Barber?


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It isn't perfect but that's mainly down to lack of proper regulation by the football authorities. I would hazard a guess that we wouldn't be were we are today if it was for our own 'greed driven' benefactor!!

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

The Sky advert about fans being the life blood of the game is vomit inducing.

 

[SweatyMexican]

The Sky advert about fans being the life blood of the game is vomit inducing.

They don’t even know the meaning of words. And nor does anyone who believes them.

You may say I’m “gatekeeping” football to only the parameters I choose, but football only ever watched on the tele is a completely different game to those who go/have gone.

 

[b.w.2.]

But in the real world, that’s not how it works.

It has already worked that way. You are so out of touch. Stay tuned.


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[Kinky Gerbil]

It has already worked that way. You are so out of touch. Stay tuned.


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I forgot all those owners have sold up at a loss.

Do you think they care about a protest ?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I forgot all those owners have sold up at a loss.

Do you think they care about a protest ?

Let me stop you, there.

Have a word with the cat. You'll find that 'miaow' is not only unequivocal, but it will make more sense to you than the endless drone about signing a striker between transfer windows, and, of course, replacing Potter with Curbs, Souey, or Ardiles.

 

[b.w.2.]

I forgot all those owners have sold up at a loss.

Do you think they care about a protest ?

Stay tuned. I honestly think the government will act. If they don’t, then the unrest will worsen.

The only way to stop this is to curtail the power of the owners of football clubs, and I mean all of them


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[b.w.2.]

Let me stop you, there.

Have a word with the cat. You'll find that 'miaow' is not only unequivocal, but it will make more sense to you than the endless drone about signing a striker between transfer windows, and, of course, replacing Potter with Curbs, Souey, or Ardiles.

Eh? We need to sign a striker, I agree. Replacing Potter, I don’t think so.


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[portlock seagull]

Stay tuned. I honestly think the government will act. If they don’t, then the unrest will worsen.

The only way to stop this is to curtail the power of the owners of football clubs, and I mean all of them


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Good. So far a flares been thrown and a camera lense cracked. Hardly the 1917 revolution. The footballing equivalent of which is needed.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Fecking media

Sanctimonious claptrap talked on the radio by Pat Nevin and the pundits saying the ground is sacrosanct and protests must always happen away from grounds. HORSESHIT.

Where we would be now if we fans did not invade the pitch, invade stands to get archer and bellotti out, bring whistles to games, protest and cause civil disobedience to be the ******** out

This is exactly what fan power is about.

Very good questions.

I would however like to rephrase them. Do you think the pitch invasions (and the points deductions) were necessary for forcing Archer to sell the club to Knight?

I was there for the York game and found it to be peculiar, and the destruction of the goal post seemed inappropriate. The game had been stopped. What did pictures in the press of people gleefully smashing their own club's belongings do to favour the outcome?

While I await clarity from someone who knows what went on, and how the pitch invasions really did push Archer into a fire sale, I thought I'd see if I could find any explanation of the sale and particularly the pivotal role of the pitch invasions online. I did find some very interesting links that would be of value to the ManU supporters who are planning direct action:

https://thegoldstonewrap.com/tag/bill-archer/

My take is Archer sold the ground, got what he wanted (money) then sold the club (which was by then just a 'franchise' playing in Gillingham with no physical assets other than the players) to whoever was prepared to pay what he wanted.

I therefore fail to see any evidence that the pitch invasions were pivotal in wresting the club away from Archer.

Likewise, protests against the Glazers will not force the Glazers to sell. If ManU are thrown out of the EPL and the franchise loses income the Glazers may sell, but this won't happen in response to fans causing the threatened mayhem. Not even if they disrupt every game. The Glazers are not criminally responsible for the actions of ManU fans.

I heard a bloke (my age) on radio5 saying how he supports the protests today and that he stopped watching ManU in 2005 when the Glazers took over. He also spoke about how great it is to let off flares at the football. I just thought 'ok mate, I have important things to do today and no time to listen to armchair revolutionaries'.

All that said, I have no idea how to get the Glazers out but if I were a Man U supporter I would feel about one percent as upset about the state of my club as I was, as a Brighton supporter, when Archer sold the Goldstone. FFS. And people couldn't even stop that. How do you sever the Glazers' income from their ownership of ManU? That's the only game in town and, as I said, once Archer had maximised his income from his ownership of our club, he ****ed off leaving us with a mountain to climb. The key bit here is money. That's all.

I don't know what the solution is, but shitting on your own lawn (metaphorically) doesn't seem to be wise, no matter how big a buzz you might get from it.

 

[Henfield One]

Very good questions.

I would however like to rephrase them. Do you think the pitch invasions (and the points deductions) were necessary for forcing Archer to sell the club to Knight?

I was there for the York game and found it to be peculiar, and the destruction of the goal post seemed inappropriate. The game had been stopped. What did pictures in the press of people gleefully smashing their own club's belongings do to favour the outcome?

While I await clarity from someone who knows what went on, and how the pitch invasions really did push Archer into a fire sale, I thought I'd see if I could find any explanation of the sale and particularly the pivotal role of the pitch invasions online. I did find some very interesting links that would be of value to the ManU supporters who are planning direct action:

https://thegoldstonewrap.com/tag/bill-archer/

My take is Archer sold the ground, got what he wanted (money) then sold the club (which was by then just a 'franchise' playing in Gillingham with no physical assets other than the players) to whoever was prepared to pay what he wanted.

I therefore fail to see any evidence that the pitch invasions were pivotal in wresting the club away from Archer.

Likewise, protests against the Glazers will not force the Glazers to sell. If ManU are thrown out of the EPL and the franchise loses income the Glazers may sell, but this won't happen in response to fans causing the threatened mayhem. Not even if they disrupt every game. The Glazers are not criminally responsible for the actions of ManU fans.

I heard a bloke (my age) on radio5 saying how he supports the protests today and that he stopped watching ManU in 2005 when the Glazers took over. He also spoke about how great it is to let off flares at the football. I just thought 'ok mate, I have important things to do today and no time to listen to armchair revolutionaries'.

All that said, I have no idea how to get the Glazers out but if I were a Man U supporter I would feel about one percent as upset about the state of my club as I was, as a Brighton supporter, when Archer sold the Goldstone. FFS. And people couldn't even stop that. How do you sever the Glazers' income from their ownership of ManU? That's the only game in town and, as I said, once Archer had maximised his income from his ownership of our club, he ****ed off leaving us with a mountain to climb. The key bit here is money. That's all.

I don't know what the solution is, but shitting on your own lawn (metaphorically) doesn't seem to be wise, no matter how big a buzz you might get from it.

We pressed the publicity button at every opportunity - and that was of course before wall-to-wall Sky Sports tv. The Euros 96 was a big thing for the FA and that's why David Davis stepped in to urge change and support from the FA for CEDR talks. My message to all MUFC & LFC fans looking to change ownership is to use every PEACEFUL opportunity to get your message across. Be patient, engage with influencers - use social media, and never give up. We won our war and no-one was remotely interested in Division 3 BHAFC - and we didn't have social media & Sky Sports etc. Do the SWOT analysis and read Build a Bonfire - that's the way to change things. Proud of what we did and how we did it - UTA. Fans United will never be defeated.

 

[Sid in the Sharknado]

It isn't perfect but that's mainly down to lack of proper regulation by the football authorities. I would hazard a guess that we wouldn't be were we are today if it was for our own 'greed driven' benefactor!!

As opposed to our previous (but one) greed driven benefactor

 

[The Clamp]

Great work by protestors.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

We pressed the publicity button at every opportunity - and that was of course before wall-to-wall Sky Sports tv. The Euros 96 was a big thing for the FA and that's why David Davis stepped in to urge change and support from the FA for CEDR talks. My message to all MUFC & LFC fans looking to change ownership is to use every PEACEFUL opportunity to get your message across. Be patient, engage with influencers - use social media, and never give up. We won our war and no-one was remotely interested in Division 3 BHAFC - and we didn't have social media & Sky Sports etc. Do the SWOT analysis and read Build a Bonfire - that's the way to change things. Proud of what we did and how we did it - UTA. Fans United will never be defeated.

I read Build a Bonfire when it came out. I don't recall anything about how pitch invasions pushed Archer into selling the club to Knight.

The campaigns were brilliant, especially as a template for others, but Paul Samrah triggering the rule changes that now prevent owners selling grounds with no contingeny is the primary lasting outcome. I'm not convinced even the peaceful protests are what forced Archer out, because he'd sold the Goldstone, and the club he sold to Knight was worthless. He'd got what he wanted. The pitch invasions mostly cost us 3 points.

 

[Wozza]

I read Build a Bonfire when it came out. I don't recall anything about how pitch invasions pushed Archer into selling the club to Knight.

The campaigns were brilliant, especially as a template for others, but Paul Samrah triggering the rule changes that now prevent owners selling grounds with no contingeny is the primary lasting outcome. I'm not convinced even the peaceful protests are what forced Archer out, because he'd sold the Goldstone, and the club he sold to Knight was worthless. He'd got what he wanted. The pitch invasions mostly cost us 3 points.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Explain.

 

[Wozza]

Explain.

You trying to give a history lesson to The Henfield One is genuinely one of the funniest things I've ever read on NSC.

Also, your memories of the era are pretty hazy because you stopped going, remember?

Luckily others hung around to carry the fight...

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Very good questions.

I would however like to rephrase them. Do you think the pitch invasions (and the points deductions) were necessary for forcing Archer to sell the club to Knight?

I was there for the York game and found it to be peculiar, and the destruction of the goal post seemed inappropriate. The game had been stopped. What did pictures in the press of people gleefully smashing their own club's belongings do to favour the outcome?

While I await clarity from someone who knows what went on, and how the pitch invasions really did push Archer into a fire sale, I thought I'd see if I could find any explanation of the sale and particularly the pivotal role of the pitch invasions online. I did find some very interesting links that would be of value to the ManU supporters who are planning direct action:

https://thegoldstonewrap.com/tag/bill-archer/

My take is Archer sold the ground, got what he wanted (money) then sold the club (which was by then just a 'franchise' playing in Gillingham with no physical assets other than the players) to whoever was prepared to pay what he wanted.

I therefore fail to see any evidence that the pitch invasions were pivotal in wresting the club away from Archer.

Likewise, protests against the Glazers will not force the Glazers to sell. If ManU are thrown out of the EPL and the franchise loses income the Glazers may sell, but this won't happen in response to fans causing the threatened mayhem. Not even if they disrupt every game. The Glazers are not criminally responsible for the actions of ManU fans.

I heard a bloke (my age) on radio5 saying how he supports the protests today and that he stopped watching ManU in 2005 when the Glazers took over. He also spoke about how great it is to let off flares at the football. I just thought 'ok mate, I have important things to do today and no time to listen to armchair revolutionaries'.

All that said, I have no idea how to get the Glazers out but if I were a Man U supporter I would feel about one percent as upset about the state of my club as I was, as a Brighton supporter, when Archer sold the Goldstone. FFS. And people couldn't even stop that. How do you sever the Glazers' income from their ownership of ManU? That's the only game in town and, as I said, once Archer had maximised his income from his ownership of our club, he ****ed off leaving us with a mountain to climb. The key bit here is money. That's all.

I don't know what the solution is, but shitting on your own lawn (metaphorically) doesn't seem to be wise, no matter how big a buzz you might get from it.

Local fans got the game called off. That will piss off the foreign television audience and that will hurt the Glaziers. Match going fans won’t co-operate with our clubs being stolen. It’s all good.

 

[Simster]

You trying to give a history lesson to The Henfield One is genuinely one of the funniest things I've ever read on NSC.

Also, your memories of the era are pretty hazy because you stopped going, remember?

Luckily others hung around to carry the fight...

This. The funniest thing I've ever read on here, or at least would be if it wasn't laced with breathtaking sanctimony.