Why should the thousands of motorists that don't throw rubbish from vehicles have to pay?
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[Sussex] 'Litter picking in progress'
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Why should the thousands of motorists that don't throw rubbish from vehicles have to pay?
Official Old Man
Uckfield Seagull
Walking up West St, Btn, couple in front of me dropped some paper receipts. I picked them up and politely asked if they are important only you just dropped them. Reply was 'no'. My reaction 'can you put them in the bin then' pointing to a bin right next to them. Swear filter wont let me write the reply.
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Ha my first port of call for blame is stressed out reps.
I guess we shouldn't generalise, I was looking for signs of 'our' rubbish, and sadly I did see 1 gel wrapper, which was a shame.
In the last couple of years if I see a bin in view and pass some rubbish I pick up the rubbish and put it in the bin. Mind you the other day I picked up two discarded hub caps and they turned out to be too big to go in the bins so I ended up taking them home.
I don't think it would work anyway, in fact it might make the problem worse with certain people feeling entitled to act like this because they now pay for the privilege.
Fair point, I could definitely see that happening.
That's the worst sort of socialism. Take from the many to rectify the folly of a few.
When I grew up in the 60s the Sussex 'beauty spots' were always awash with litter. Ditchling commen springs to mind. The anti litter campaigns worked hugely. I'd favour targetting the litterers. Strategic hidden cams for a few weeks, then big fines and publicity about it.
On a similar note, the streets of Portslade, Easthill park and frankly everywhere was awash with dog shit in the 60s and early 70s. I see that these days only where the chavs exercise their attack dogs (hardly anywhere, in other words).
Things are improving.....but I nevertheless advocate the return of the death penalty to deal with the recalcitrant life-stragglers.
Cheshire Cat
The most curious thing..
They are not bio degradrable...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette_filter#Litter
Litter
Cigarette butts contain hazardous chemicals such as cadmium, arsenic, lead, copper, and various PAHs, that are partially filtered out during smoking.
Cigarette butts are the most common form of anthropogenic (man-made) litter in the world, as approximately 5.6 trillion cigarettes are smoked every year worldwide.[21] Of those it is estimated that 4.5 trillion cigarette butts become litter every year.[22] The cellulose acetate fibers used as the predominant filter material do not readily biodegrade because of the acetyl groups on the cellulose backbone which in itself can quickly be degraded by various microorganisms employing cellulases.[23] A normal life span of a discarded filter is thought to be up to 15 years.[24]
Many governments have sanctioned stiff penalties for littering of cigarette filters; for example Washington state imposes a penalty of $1,025 for littering cigarette filters.[25] Another option is developing better biodegradable filters, much of this work lies heavily on the research in the secondary mechanism for photodegradation as stated above. The next option is using cigarette packs with a compartment to discard cigarette butts in, implementing monetary deposits on filters, increasing the availability of butt receptacles, and expanding public education. It may even be possible to ban the sale of filtered cigarettes altogether on the basis of their adverse environmental impact.[21] Recent research has been put into finding ways to utilizes the filter waste, to develop a desired product. One research group in South Korea have developed a simple one-step process that converts the cellulose acetate in discarded cigarette filters into a high-performing material that could be integrated into computers, handheld devices, electrical vehicle and wind turbines to store energy. These materials have demonstrated superior performance as compared to commercially available carbon, graphene and carbon nano tubes. The product is showing high promise as a green alternative for the waste problem.[26] Another group of researchers has proposed adding tablets of food grade acid inside the filters. Once wet enough the tablets will release acid that accelerates degradation to around two weeks (instead of using cellulose triacetate and besides of cigarette smoke being quite acidic).[27] A Dutch startup is training crows to recognize and pick up cigarette butts in exchange for treats.[28]
Weststander
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That's the worst sort of socialism. Take from the many to rectify the folly of a few.
When I grew up in the 60s the Sussex 'beauty spots' were always awash with litter. Ditchling commen springs to mind. The anti litter campaigns worked hugely. I'd favour targetting the litterers. Strategic hidden cams for a few weeks, then big fines and publicity about it.
On a similar note, the streets of Portslade, Easthill park and frankly everywhere was awash with dog shit in the 60s and early 70s. I see that these days only where the chavs exercise their attack dogs (hardly anywhere, in other words).
Things are improving.....but I nevertheless advocate the return of the death penalty to deal with the recalcitrant life-stragglers.
Very true. Growing up in the 70's I recall huges amounts of litter and dog ****, then The Keep Britain Tidy campaigns, and by-laws against the dog owners, made a huge difference. A minority carried on regardless, but most people changed their behaviour.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Why,do you know any?Nobody supervises what their passengers throw out.If car owners had to pay,they might have a bit more respect for the environment and take a bit of responsibility.'It wasn't me' is hardly a defence.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
That's the worst sort of socialism. Take from the many to rectify the folly of a few.
When I grew up in the 60s the Sussex 'beauty spots' were always awash with litter. Ditchling commen springs to mind. The anti litter campaigns worked hugely. I'd favour targetting the litterers. Strategic hidden cams for a few weeks, then big fines and publicity about it.
On a similar note, the streets of Portslade, Easthill park and frankly everywhere was awash with dog shit in the 60s and early 70s. I see that these days only where the chavs exercise their attack dogs (hardly anywhere, in other words).
Things are improving.....but I nevertheless advocate the return of the death penalty to deal with the recalcitrant life-stragglers.
How about a compromise.Keep Britain Tidy campaign funded from car insurance premium.We all benefit from a cleaner environment.And the death penalty for persistent littering!
ferring seagull
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- Dec 30, 2010
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Yeah but a bit unfair on those who are 'normal' human beings who don't indulge in the jettison of rubbish from cars or indeed anything else - perhaps a levy on car insurance premiums would, in their pathetic minds, actually justify the actions of those who are indeed the offenders !
ferring seagull
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- Dec 30, 2010
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You should have stuck it up her ----- !
Still sounds a bit WKOS to me
In all seriousness, it is interesting that some kinds of socialism wrankle yet other kinds don't (from one situation to the next). Since driver littering is done by drivers then perhaps your first suggestion is the best of a lot of irksome and unsatisfactory options. Which is probably how I view socialism (the best of the available options, a bit crap, and made better and worse by the Mr Tony treatment, but there you go).
GoingUp
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If you give the insurers the opportunity to take even more money from the motorist, they'll just keep it and boost their profits.
Hillian1
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Any syringes?
Saltydog
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In the interest of fairness, surely any surcharge should be added to the price of the take away litter so many tykes believe they are born to jettison out of car windows.
I liken them to slugs leaving a trail of slime behind them
I liken them to slugs leaving a trail of slime behind them
I don't throw rubbish out of my van window, one of my sons is the only passenger that travels with me and he definitely doesn't throw anything out of the window.
I have never thrown any rubbish out of my wife's car window as a passenger, I've never seen her throw anything out either.
There must be many, many others that know how to use a bin that also drive. You can't blame everyone.