List those 'big' clubs in order

[Seagull Stew]

Too much time on my hands - I've attempted the full 92. Probably some big errors

Div1

1. Man Utd
2. Liverpool
3. Arsenal
4. Spurs
5. Everton
6. Sunderland
7. Leeds
8. Aston Villa
9. Chelsea
10. Man City
11. West Ham Utd
12. Newcastle
13. Blackburn
14. Bolton
15. Nottingham Forest
16. Sheffield Wednesday
17. West Brom
18. Wolves
19. Southampton
20. Ipswich

Div2

21. Portsmouth
22. Birmingham
23. Middlesbrough
24. Leicester
25. Sheffield Utd
26. Stoke
27. Bristol City
28. Preston
29. Derby
30. Charlton
31. QPR
32. Crystal Palace
33. Fulham
34. Burnley
35. Huddersfield
36. Bradford
37. Cardiff
38. Millwall
39. Norwich
40. Brighton
41. Blackpool
42. Plymouth
43. Watford
44. Reading

Div3

45. Notts County
46. Hull
47. Bristol Rovers
48. Swansea
49. Luton
50. Oldham
51. Bournemouth
52. Shrewsbury
53. Oxford
54. Swindon
55. Barnsley
56. Northampton
57. Brentford
58. Crewe
59. Port Vale
60. Wigan
61. Hartlepool
62. Grimsby
63. Chesterfield
64. Gillingham
65. Leyton Orient
66. Southend
67. Torquay
68. Walsall

Div3

69. Peterborough
70. York
71. Doncaster
72. Chester
73. Rotherham
74. Mansfield
75. Cambridge
76. Colchester
77. Tranmere
78. Wrexham
79. Scunthorpe
80. Bury
81. Rochdale
82. Darlington
83. Lincoln
84. Wycombe
85. Macclesfield
86. Cheltenham
87. Kidderminster
88. Yeovil
89. Boston
90. Dagenham
91. Rushden
92. Milton Keynes

Dagenham?

 

[watsongooal]

Manchester United
Liverpool
Newcastle
Arsenal
Everton
Chelsea
Spurs
Everton
Man City
Aston Villa
Middlesbrough
Southampton
Birmingham
Charlton
Bolton
Blackburn
West Brom
Norwich
Portsmouth
Fulham
Crystal Palace

 

[Gazwag]

1. Liverpool (their success came too early to earn the money Man Utd have)
2. Manchester United (see Liverpool but for TV money would they have won so much in the 90's)
3. Arsenal (Doubles and Cup success)

4. Everton (one of the longest run of years in the top flight)
5. Tottenham (1st double winners)
6. Aston Villa (European Success and Cup Success)
7. Newcastle (no recent success though)
8. Chelsea
9. Blackburn (cup success)
10. Man City

Can't split the rest

=11. Middlesbrough
=11. Southampton
=11. Birmingham
=11. Bolton
=11. Charlton
=11. West Brom
=11. Norwich
=11. Portsmouth
=11. Fulham
=11. Crystal Palace

 

[watsongooal]

I put Newcastle 4th purely on the massive support they have which I dont think anyone (except Rangers and Celtic) can match

 

[Lammy]

I'm curious why so many people think that Newcastle and Sunderland are such big clubs?!?! Neither has much success at competition.

Let's have a look back in resent history at these GIANTS!

Newcastle 16,835 90/91
mackems 13,600 86/87

WOW!!

Now when was the last time Tottenham drew crowds that small? was not in the top flight? They have also won a shit load more then both of those clubs put together and yet a lot of you don't rate them.

Sunderland also loses half it's fan base when they are not playing well even if they are in the prem. Please don't confuse big stadiums with big clubs.

For me, the true definition of a 'big' club is how many fans would they attract if they were playing shit in division 2.

the likes of Tottenham, Everton, Man City etc are far bigger clubs that Newcastel ever will be.

 

[Lammy]

I put Newcastle 4th purely on the massive support they have which I dont think anyone (except Rangers and Celtic) can match

Err Man Utd? They get 68,000 at home to Fulham.

 

[Gazwag]

I put Newcastle in 7th due to their number of cup final appearances and wins

 

[Dave the OAP]

Huddersfield...35th

Hudds have won the FA Cup, The Football league Division 1, 4 times...Three times in a row!

Which is a damn site more than the majority of the Premier and Championship teams ever have!



My Top 10, based on history/support etc


1. Liverpool
2. Manchester United
3. Aston Villa
4. Newcastle
5. Arsenal
6. Tottenham Hotspur
7. Preston North End
8. Nottingham Forest
9. Everton
10.Chelsea ( although to be fair they have won bugger all)
10. Stoke City

 

[Gazwag]

Err Man Utd? They get 68,000 at home to Fulham.

And I looked at history not current form

 

[watsongooal]

Err Man Utd? They get 68,000 at home to Fulham.

errr yeah

a) How big is St James
b) How many of those 68k are die hard man u supporters and not corporate sponsers prawn sarnie eaters etc
c) How many would utd get if they dropped 2 divisions, not as many as Newcastle is they did.

 

[Pavilionaire]

How can anyone say Newcastle Utd are not a huge club?

The support is vast, the stadium is superb, the big transfers and wages are still there, they've won loads of trophies over their history. Some people need to get the history book out.

There is also no doubt they are a bigger club than Sunderland, who would probably be somewhere between 10th and 15th place in the definitive list.

 

[watsongooal]

Huddersfield...35th

Hudds have won the FA Cup, The Football league Division 1, 4 times...Three times in a row!

Which is a damn site more than the majority of the Premier and Championship teams ever have!



My Top 10, based on history/support etc


1. Liverpool
2. Manchester United
3. Aston Villa
4. Newcastle
5. Arsenal
6. Tottenham Hotspur
7. Preston North End
8. Nottingham Forest
9. Everton
10.Chelsea ( although to be fair they have won bugger all)
10. Stoke City

Villa interesting, I always forget how big they are, true sleeping giants

 

[captainmorganrum]

Too much time on my hands - I've attempted the full 92. Probably some big errors

Div3

45. Notts County
46. Hull
47. Bristol Rovers
48. Swansea
49. Luton
50. Oldham
51. Bournemouth
52. Shrewsbury
53. Oxford
54. Swindon
55. Barnsley
56. Northampton
57. Brentford
58. Crewe
59. Port Vale
60. Wigan
61. Hartlepool
62. Grimsby
63. Chesterfield
64. Gillingham
65. Leyton Orient
66. Southend
67. Torquay
68. Walsall

Div4

69. Peterborough
70. York
71. Doncaster
72. Chester
73. Rotherham
74. Mansfield
75. Cambridge
76. Colchester
77. Tranmere
78. Wrexham
79. Scunthorpe
80. Bury
81. Rochdale
82. Darlington
83. Lincoln
84. Wycombe
85. Macclesfield
86. Cheltenham
87. Kidderminster
88. Yeovil
89. Boston
90. Dagenham
91. Rushden
92. Milton Keynes

Interesting, personally I think Hull should be higher, purely for their pulling power.
Also, my Wrexham have bigger better crowds than the likes of Cambridge, and I think the Welsh clubs should all be a bit higher cos of more trophies (Wrexham's 26? Welsh Cups) and the fantastic nights in Europe against the likes of Roma, Porta, Anderlecht etc....
But I'm biased!

 

[Lammy]

How can anyone say Newcastle Utd are not a huge club?

The support is vast, the stadium is superb, the big transfers and wages are still there, they've won loads of trophies over their history. Some people need to get the history book out.

There is also no doubt they are a bigger club than Sunderland, who would probably be somewhere between 10th and 15th place in the definitive list.

Domestic Honours:
Division 1 Champions: 1904-05, 1906-07, 1908-09, 1926-27
Division 2 Champions: 1964-65, 1992-93 (new Div 1)
FA Cup Winners: 1909-10, 1923-24, 1931-32, 1950-51, 1951-52, 1954-55

European Honours:
Fairs Cup: 1968-69 (UEFA Cup)

Not a great deal since the war.

compared with Tottenham for example...

League Titles Division One: 1950 - 51, 1960 - 61
Division Two: 1919 - 20, 1949 - 50

FA Cup Winners in 1900 - 01, 1920 - 21, 1960 - 61, 1961 - 62, 1966 - 67, 1980 - 81, 1981 - 82, 1990 - 91

Europe UEFA Cup winners in 1971 - 72, 1983 -84 ;
Cup Winners Cup in 1963

League Cup Winners in 1970 - 71, 1972 - 73, 1998 - 99

 

[watsongooal]

But how do you define a big club? is it all about what you have won? Are Blackburn a bigger club that Sheff Wednesday beacuse they have won the premiership? I think not

 

[Lammy]

But how do you define a big club? is it all about what you have won? Are Blackburn a bigger club that Sheff Wednesday beacuse they have won the premiership? I think not

That's the good thing about this thread. There are so many factors to take into account that it's just down to opinion in the end.

Like I said earlier I think a good test would be for how many fans they would get against Leyton Orient on the Tuesday night in the second division.

Man City would have about 30,000 would Newcastle or Blackburn?

 

[watsongooal]

Would Liverpool?

 

[Dave the OAP]

But how do you define a big club? is it all about what you have won? Are Blackburn a bigger club that Sheff Wednesday beacuse they have won the premiership? I think not

Yes but, Blackburn have the

League Titles FA Premier League: 1994-95. Division One (old format): 1911-12, 1913-14. Division Two (old format): 1938-39. Division Three (old format): 1974-75.

FA Cup Winners: 1928, 1891, 1890, 1886, 1885, 1884. Finalists: 1882, 1960.

League Cup Winners 2002

Other Full Members Cup winners 1987


I missed them off my list.. Isuppose they should have been about 4th!!!!

 

[perth seagull]

1. Manchester United
2. Liverpool
3. Arsenal
4. Newcastle
5. Everton
6. Chelsea
7. Aston Villa
8. Tottenham Hotspur
9. Man City
10. Middlesbrough
11. Birmingham City
12. Southampton
13. Bolton Wanderers
14. Charlton Athletic
15. West Brom
16. Fulham
17. Blackburn Rovers
18. Norwich City
19. Portsmouth
20. Crystal Palace

 

[Lammy]

Would Liverpool?

Yes easily. Having lived in Liverpool for 4 years I can tell you that football is a religion up there. Make no mistake there fans are die hard. As are Man Utd, Everton and City. Of course there is the prawn sandwich element with all the clubs but these fans would watch them through thick and thin.

Unlike Sunderland where if they go on a losing steak their fans walk.