steward 433
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IN SAFE STANDING AREAS YES. Not on a temporary stand with only a seat back to stop you toppling forwards
Not cotton wool brigade just minimising risk
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Liberal Democrats debate safe standing
- Thread starter Guy Fawkes
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IN SAFE STANDING AREAS YES. Not on a temporary stand with only a seat back to stop you toppling forwards
Not cotton wool brigade just minimising risk
Oh jeez it's like talking to a five year old. Look, no one's saying it's 'safe' to stand in areas that have been designated as seating. We do it currently because we have no choice. What we want are 'safe standing' areas, aka, terraces. That is what the LibDems are debating (as per the thread title). We want this because we we believe it is intrinsically as safe to stand to watch football as it is to sit and watch it - the only killer in both instances being poorly-maintained stadia (with a nod to poor crowd control).IN SAFE STANDING AREAS YES. Not on a temporary stand with only a seat back to stop you toppling forwards
Not cotton wool brigade just minimising risk
Storer68
New member
except of course, as has been proved time after time in the past, terraces are intrinsically dangerous
Storer68
New member
About Bradford YES
About Hillsborough NO
and actually most of the previous seemed to have been casused by crushing on terraces -Burnden Park in 1946 for example,
and having been in crushes in stadiums, its not something I want to experience again or for anyone else to.
Intersting to note that fences are still permitted
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Storer68
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The Premier League don't want them.
The Football League don't want tem
The FA Don't want them
The clubs don't want them
The Government don't want tthem.
The Football Licensing Authority are not allowed by law to want them or approve them
it aint gonna happen is it?
The Football League don't want tem
The FA Don't want them
The clubs don't want them
The Government don't want tthem.
The Football Licensing Authority are not allowed by law to want them or approve them
it aint gonna happen is it?
Cheshire Cat
The most curious thing..
But Bradford was an inherently unsafe potential death-trap regardless of whether you were standing, sitting, lying down, or performing handstands.
It was built in 1908, built of wood, the exit doors were locked on the day, there was insufficient access or exits, the only way out was up the hill, there were gaps in and under the wooden floor some 2 feet deep which were full of inflammable litter, it had failed several safety inspections, was in very poor repair generaly due to Bradford's financial problems, the roof was covered in black felt which burnt like a torch, there was virtually no stewarding, and there were walls sepearating the seat tiers which made it even more difficult to escape. See Simon Inglis "Football Grounds of Great Britain" 1987 edition .
It was built in 1908, built of wood, the exit doors were locked on the day, there was insufficient access or exits, the only way out was up the hill, there were gaps in and under the wooden floor some 2 feet deep which were full of inflammable litter, it had failed several safety inspections, was in very poor repair generaly due to Bradford's financial problems, the roof was covered in black felt which burnt like a torch, there was virtually no stewarding, and there were walls sepearating the seat tiers which made it even more difficult to escape. See Simon Inglis "Football Grounds of Great Britain" 1987 edition .
Cheshire Cat
The most curious thing..
This is a Lib Dem
publicity stunt, and given their tremendously supportive reputation locally to new football grounds, I am astonished anybody takes these lunatics 
seriously.
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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Add the police to that list as well, because it's far far easier to identify people in all seater stadium.
Personally I think the above is a much bigger factor that most people realise.
Wrong! As has been pointed out to you time and time again on this thread the actual concept of standing to watch a football match is NOT intrinsically more dangerous than sitting; other factors have to be taken into account. And certainly terracing is no more dangerous than sitting in temporary stands. A cursory glance through Google gives you plenty of examples of temporary stands collasping, and they're recent too - you don't have to trail back through nearly 100 years to find examples.
If you prefer sitting down to watch football that's fair enough. I personally think it's like going to Thorpe Park and only going on the Teacups.
I agree, and also I think it was part of a deliberate (and successful) Tory ploy to take football upmarket - no ones riots at the Centre Court.
portslade seagull
Well-known member
This whole keep the standing ban argument is a load of old tosh !!!!!
If the majority want to stand let them stand in a safe well stewarded area and if you storer68 want to sit you sit by yourself in that empty stand full of seats whilst everybody else stands
lets ban cars because people die in them everyday as they do planes,boats crossing the road...nothings safe !!!!
If the majority want to stand let them stand in a safe well stewarded area and if you storer68 want to sit you sit by yourself in that empty stand full of seats whilst everybody else stands
lets ban cars because people die in them everyday as they do planes,boats crossing the road...nothings safe !!!!
steward 433
Back and better
Nail on head
I would like to see terraces return
The new design of terraces means we will never see a horrific replay of any of the stadium disasters of old
Hatterlovesbrighton
something clever
The important thing to remember here is that the makeup of football attendances has changed, and has probably contributed to the vastly increased money into football. Back in the 80's and before the core makeup of attendances was probably pretty similar to this board, males between 16 and 50. Going to a football match was seen as a bit risky, with fights commonplace. It wasn't a place that mums would want their kids going (or go themselves) and companies by and large didn't want to associate their products with football.
Getting rid of terraces has sanitised the sport, which many people (particular the core) don't like very much, but it has increased the appeal of football both to a greater range of spectators and compamnies who want to tap into them.
Can't see football clubs wanting to turn back the clock and it would never be a large scale vote winner for political parties.
Getting rid of terraces has sanitised the sport, which many people (particular the core) don't like very much, but it has increased the appeal of football both to a greater range of spectators and compamnies who want to tap into them.
Can't see football clubs wanting to turn back the clock and it would never be a large scale vote winner for political parties.
surrey jim
Not in Surrey
the intro of all seater eliminated alot of atmosphere in grounds and since then many grounds have corporate hospitality which pays much better. cannot see them going back to terracing/safe standing areas but personally really hope they do