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Liam Cooper to be punished ?



clippedgull

Hotdogs, extra onions
Aug 11, 2003
20,789
Near Ducks, Geese, and Seagulls
Because it's generally not considered in the public interest to get the criminal justice system involved in matters of legitimate sporting contests. By competing in a sport, it's considered that you're by default consenting to a certain amount of physical contact (depending on the sport obviously- clearly this isn't going to apply to, say, badminton). The legal position is that something which ordinarily might be deemed an assault if occurring on the street, would have to go way, way beyond the boundaries of acceptable physical contact and the rules of the game for a prosecution to be pursued. A tackle which results in a serious injury could be through excessive, reckless force, or it could be simply mistimed, an error of judgement. To prove the offence of GBH (given a broken leg, say), the CPS would have to demonstrate that the offender either intended to cause serious injury (difficult to prove) or was subjectively reckless as to whether it occurred (he foresaw the risk but wen on to take it anyway). A player will quite easily be able to say he just mistimed it, and show numerous clips of other unintentional, but mistimed tackles as evidence.

It's likely to be different if the "assault" is something that's not part of normal gameplay itself, for example if you punched or head-butted somebody. Everyone's favourite pundit, Chris Kamara, was done for GBH on the pitch years ago after he ran up to a Shrewsbury player when the game had stopped and punched him in the face, breaking the guy's cheekbone. There was simply no way for him to argue that it was a legitimate footballing challenge that went wrong. From memory, a Barrow player served time for breaking somebody's face in similar circumstances. Tackles though: it's very, very rare.

In the Cooper case, Oxford didn't actually suffer any injury beyond a bit of a bruise or a scratch, I'd have thought, therefore at most you'd be looking at a common assault anyway. Cooper would argue that he had no intention of doing it, and to prosecute him would be a massive waste of public time and money that would, at the absolute most (assuming he doesn't have a long criminal record of violent offences) result in no more than a financial penalty which would be considerably less than the FA could fine him.

Hope that answers your question :)

Thanks Edna :thumbsup:
 




theroyal

Well-known member
May 11, 2014
434
Leeds fans are bleating on Twitter that Blackett didn't get punished for his "elbow". Admittedly it was clumsy from Tyler but to compare them is laughable. Reading fans have been winding them up on Twitter for a while now, and they keep biting, it's hilarious. The most insecure club in the league. Call them tinpot and they all have a mental breakdown.

Nothing more than they deserve after Saturday. Abusing and trying to scare young Reading fans at the bus stops, causing trouble in the Madejski hotel, throwing coins into the home end and throwing bottles at our players, and to top it off, smashing car windows and denting bonnets outside.

The state of that lot. Would be delighted if they dropped out of the play-offs.
 


spence

British and Proud
Oct 15, 2014
9,953
Crawley
Leeds fans are bleating on Twitter that Blackett didn't get punished for his "elbow". Admittedly it was clumsy from Tyler but to compare them is laughable. Reading fans have been winding them up on Twitter for a while now, and they keep biting, it's hilarious. The most insecure club in the league. Call them tinpot and they all have a mental breakdown.

Nothing more than they deserve after Saturday. Abusing and trying to scare young Reading fans at the bus stops, causing trouble in the Madejski hotel, throwing coins into the home end and throwing bottles at our players, and to top it off, smashing car windows and denting bonnets outside.

The state of that lot. Would be delighted if they dropped out of the play-offs.

Go on Waccoe and they ban you instantly if you try a bit of fishing They are very insecure.
 


Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
32,468
Brighton
"Not that type of lad" is one of those terms that really grinds my gears. Mainly because it holds no meaning at all and is banded about as some sort of excuse.

If a player stamps on someone's head, I don't care if he's never committed a foul in his life, he IS that sort of player, because he just STAMPED ON SOMEONES HEAD.

So admit you're at fault., apologise and make sure you never do it again. Just please spare us the details of what a lovely bloke he is.
Like saying someone isn't the sort to murder people because they only murdered 1 or 2 people.
 


Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
32,468
Brighton
Also to confirm, deliberately STAMPING ON A PLAYER'S HEAD is not as bad a tripping up a ref?

Cool. Just checking.
 






Surf's Up

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2011
10,435
Here
So much bullshit

In a statement, United chief executive Ben Mansford said the club were “disappointed” with the length of the ban. “After careful consideration and consultation with the club, Liam pleaded guilty to the charges brought against him as he acknowledges that the coming together with Reece Oxford was reckless,” Mansford said. “However, in my experience Liam is an honest and genuine person who would never intend to hurt another player. “Liam is a leader and his influence in the dressing room will still play a major role in the remaining fixtures this season.” Speaking last night before the length of Cooper’s punishment was known, Monk voiced sympathy for him but admitted the defender was right to plead guilty. Cooper caught Oxford in the face with his boot during the second half at the Madejski Stadium and was cited by the FA ahead of yesterday’s trip to Griffin Park. Monk insisted that Cooper had not shown “intent” but United’s head coach conceded that the clash had been “reckless”. “We spoke to Liam and as a club we supported him,” Monk said. “We pleaded guilty to a reckless charge but 100 per cent we didn’t plead guilty to an intent charge. “We know Liam very well and as a person he’s not like that. One hundred per cent we didn’t plead guilty to an intent charge.

Read more at: http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co....fender-cooper-hit-with-six-game-ban-1-8476411

Cooper "caught" Oxford in the face with his boot - caught?? He deliberately adjusted his footing so he could get the correct leverage to stamp on his head and if that's not showing ****ing intent then anyone who ever kicks anyone in the head will never show intent.
 


Mr deez

Masterchef
Jan 13, 2005
3,542
Ahh poor lad -
Monk said: “It’s been a little bit like that for Coops this season. He’s got himself back into the team or played games and then either through injury or suspension, and now this, it’s been frustrating for him. “We feel for him because he’s a fantastic lad and it’s unfortunate.

It's not ****ing unfortunate.
 




DavidRyder

Well-known member
Jul 23, 2013
2,930
Leeds fans are bleating on Twitter that Blackett didn't get punished for his "elbow". Admittedly it was clumsy from Tyler but to compare them is laughable. Reading fans have been winding them up on Twitter for a while now, and they keep biting, it's hilarious. The most insecure club in the league. Call them tinpot and they all have a mental breakdown.

Nothing more than they deserve after Saturday. Abusing and trying to scare young Reading fans at the bus stops, causing trouble in the Madejski hotel, throwing coins into the home end and throwing bottles at our players, and to top it off, smashing car windows and denting bonnets outside.

The state of that lot. Would be delighted if they dropped out of the play-offs.

I concur. No excuse for that sort of behaviour. I hope the young Royals you mention won't be put off going in future.
 




The Large One

Who's Next?
Jul 7, 2003
52,343
97.2FM
So much bullshit

In a statement, United chief executive Ben Mansford said the club were “disappointed” with the length of the ban. “After careful consideration and consultation with the club, Liam pleaded guilty to the charges brought against him as he acknowledges that the coming together with Reece Oxford was reckless,” Mansford said. “However, in my experience Liam is an honest and genuine person who would never intend to hurt another player. “Liam is a leader and his influence in the dressing room will still play a major role in the remaining fixtures this season.” Speaking last night before the length of Cooper’s punishment was known, Monk voiced sympathy for him but admitted the defender was right to plead guilty. Cooper caught Oxford in the face with his boot during the second half at the Madejski Stadium and was cited by the FA ahead of yesterday’s trip to Griffin Park. Monk insisted that Cooper had not shown “intent” but United’s head coach conceded that the clash had been “reckless”. “We spoke to Liam and as a club we supported him,” Monk said. “We pleaded guilty to a reckless charge but 100 per cent we didn’t plead guilty to an intent charge. “We know Liam very well and as a person he’s not like that. One hundred per cent we didn’t plead guilty to an intent charge.

Read more at: http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co....fender-cooper-hit-with-six-game-ban-1-8476411

So they hold their hands up to recklessly stamping on his head, and then grizzle when he gets suspended for stamping on his head - without any hint of regret or apology.

Pathetic tin-pot club.
 






Green Cross Code Man

Wunt be druv
Mar 30, 2006
20,740
Eastbourne
Leeds fans are bleating on Twitter that Blackett didn't get punished for his "elbow". Admittedly it was clumsy from Tyler but to compare them is laughable. Reading fans have been winding them up on Twitter for a while now, and they keep biting, it's hilarious. The most insecure club in the league. Call them tinpot and they all have a mental breakdown.

Nothing more than they deserve after Saturday. Abusing and trying to scare young Reading fans at the bus stops, causing trouble in the Madejski hotel, throwing coins into the home end and throwing bottles at our players, and to top it off, smashing car windows and denting bonnets outside.

The state of that lot. Would be delighted if they dropped out of the play-offs.
Leeds fans (a large number of them anyway) are scum. End of.
 


hans kraay fan club

The voice of reason.
Helpful Moderator
Mar 16, 2005
62,759
Chandlers Ford
Ahh poor lad -
Monk said: “It’s been a little bit like that for Coops this season. He’s got himself back into the team or played games and then either through injury or suspension, and now this, it’s been frustrating for him. “We feel for him because he’s a fantastic lad and it’s unfortunate.

It's not ****ing unfortunate.

Indeed.

The 'fantastic lad' has let his club and team-mates down at a critical point of the season. Should an injury or two leave them threadbare at the back, and they were fall out of the play off places, that would be EXREMELY unfortunate.
 




ditchy

a man with a sound track record as a source of qua
Jul 8, 2003
5,251
brighton
Ahh poor lad -
Monk said: “It’s been a little bit like that for Coops this season. He’s got himself back into the team or played games and then either through injury or suspension, and now this, it’s been frustrating for him. “We feel for him because he’s a fantastic lad and it’s unfortunate.

It's not ****ing unfortunate.

Yes it it F...... unfortunate he got caught and they dont like like it !
 


Jbanged

New member
Jan 16, 2013
1,209
Barcelona
Yes.

In rugby you, with the help of a mate, can pick someone up, turn them upside down and pile drive them into the ground, giving them a serious injury, and it's fine.

Fortunately, this isn't the case anymore. Any type of dangerous tackle like that is sin binned or red carded directly. Even in big games. I think the welsh captain was sent off in the first 20 mins against Australia, semi finals... I'm sure someone on here will know the exact game date and time. Either way, it's an ugly thing to do to someone and needs big consequences.
 


One Teddy Maybank

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Aug 4, 2006
22,987
Worthing
Leeds fans are bleating on Twitter that Blackett didn't get punished for his "elbow". Admittedly it was clumsy from Tyler but to compare them is laughable. Reading fans have been winding them up on Twitter for a while now, and they keep biting, it's hilarious. The most insecure club in the league. Call them tinpot and they all have a mental breakdown.

Nothing more than they deserve after Saturday. Abusing and trying to scare young Reading fans at the bus stops, causing trouble in the Madejski hotel, throwing coins into the home end and throwing bottles at our players, and to top it off, smashing car windows and denting bonnets outside.

The state of that lot. Would be delighted if they dropped out of the play-offs.

Right punishment, but not sure Reading can complain after Kermogants tackle on Rosenoir.

Should have been the same punishment.


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Weststander

Well-known member
Aug 25, 2011
69,271
Withdean area
Pleased with that ban.

Leeds should be fining him wages, rather than issuing the bull**** statement today. I couldn't see PB and CH defending a player who'd done something so blatant and dangerous. They wouldn't hang them out to dry, but perhaps silence is the best PR?

Cooper was wound up by the scum losing and Blackett was simply a better player than him.
 




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