Liam Bricutt transfer saga has pi##ed me right off...

[Kinky Gerbil]

Every single club taps players up in one way or another, be it via the media or the agent.

 

[Creaky]

Initial bid less than £2.5m, final fee considerably higher.

Even if that is the case, and I really hope it is, it still doesn't explain the saga of the transfer request nor how, why or by whom this, the initial bid and LB's 'frame of mind' was put into the public arena

 

[symyjym]

All very true - still very confusing - initial bid around £2.5M - agreed bid around £2.5M - transfer request made and refused - player reported as unfocused and not selected to play.

1) Why was all this in the public arena?

2) The club released the 'news' about LB's frame of mind and results of transfer request - how information about the initial bid became public knowledge is really not clear but would actually advantage us by encouraging competing bids, (that never materialised).

3) It's the transfer request and its rejection that confuses me - if the club had not refused this request and put LB on the transfer list then it would have saved us the 18 months wages due to the end of his contract, left LB in a better 'frame of mind' to carry on playing and wouldn't have made much, if any, difference to the ultimate transfer deal.

1) I thought the original offer was £2m. Now it is undisclosed.

2) The club did not release news of Bridcutt not being focused, it was something Oscar said in a post match interview after unfairly being constantly bombarded with questions for weeks. It was something that just slipped out on the spot and was not a club released statement.

3) I'm not confused and we do not owe Bridcutt 18 months wages. LB was never going to be in a better frame of mind and we have probably gained financially from the original deal.

What some of you lot need to do is forget about Poyet and Bridcutt and share a thought for Oscar because Bridcutt leaving is a welcome departure and was an unwelcome distraction for Oscar.

 

[AZ Gull]

All very true - still very confusing - initial bid around £2.5M - agreed bid around £2.5M - transfer request made and refused - player reported as unfocused and not selected to play.

The Argus reported on January 1st that Sunderland had bid "less than 2.5million" for Bridcutt. The next day, they reported the bid as 2million.

There have been conflicting reports about the size of the agreed deal, but 3.25million (plus add-ons, possibly taking the potential deal up to 3.75 or 4million) seems to have some credence. All of this is unofficial, but given that the clubs don't disclose these things, the nearest to the truth we are likely to get is info provided by official news organisations most closely linked to the relevant parties.

Why was all this in the public arena?

The club released the 'news' about LB's frame of mind and results of transfer request - how information about the initial bid became public knowledge is really not clear but would actually advantage us by encouraging competing bids, (that never materialised).

It's the transfer request and its rejection that confuses me - if the club had not refused this request and put LB on the transfer list then it would have saved us the 18 months wages due to the end of his contract, left LB in a better 'frame of mind' to carry on playing and wouldn't have made much, if any, difference to the ultimate transfer deal.

What do you mean by "would have saved us the 18 months wages due to the end of his contract"?

Why would accepting Liam's transfer request have left him in a better frame of mind?

Why would putting Liam on the transfer list have left him in a better frame of mind?

 

[Springal]

The Argus reported on January 1st that Sunderland had bid "less than 2.5million" for Bridcutt. The next day, they reported the bid as 2million.

There have been conflicting reports about the size of the agreed deal, but 3.25million (plus add-ons, possibly taking the potential deal up to 3.75 or 4million) seems to have some credence. All of this is unofficial, but given that the clubs don't disclose these things, the nearest to the truth we are likely to get is info provided by official news organisations most closely linked to the relevant parties.




What do you mean by "would have saved us the 18 months wages due to the end of his contract"?

Why would accepting Liam's transfer request have left him in a better frame of mind?

Why would putting Liam on the transfer list have left him in a better frame of mind?

If a club sell a player, who is not transfer listed, then they normally would have to pay up the remainder of that players contract.

 

[El Presidente]

If a club sell a player, who is not transfer listed, then they normally would have to pay up the remainder of that players contract.

Are you sure? The Albion sold Elliott Bennett a few months after he signed a 3 1/2 year deal and I'm sure we didn't pay him £600,000 when he left.

 

[Captain Sensible]

Basically its somewhere between 2.5 and 4. I'd say its more likely 2.5 now, 750k at the end of the season, then a further 750k if he plays in 10 games and or they stay up.

I am completely guessing ofcourse.

 

[Springal]

Are you sure? The Albion sold Elliott Bennett a few months after he signed a 3 1/2 year deal and I'm sure we didn't pay him £600,000 when he left.

Did EB not hand in a transfer request? Surely if a player is contracted, but 'let go' early, there has to be some come back, else what is the point of a long contract?

 

[El Presidente]

Did EB not hand in a transfer request? Surely if a player is contracted, but 'let go' early, there has to be some come back, else what is the point of a long contract?

He signed contract in November, put in a transfer request in January, and then withdrew it.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Maybe, if true, but your angle was to convert posters into hoping Sunderland stay up and get on the Gus Bus. I don't mind losing a modest amount if they don't beat the drop.

REALLY ?? Your hatred of Poyet ( and it must be hatred ) would rather see the Albion lose out on possibly a 7 figure sum just to see Sunderland relegated ? I'm sure TB will be very happy that you're managing his wallet for him in such a cavalier manner.

 

[AZ Gull]

Did EB not hand in a transfer request? Surely if a player is contracted, but 'let go' early, there has to be some come back, else what is the point of a long contract?

Being "let go" early, and being transferred to a different club, are two entirely different things.

Of course, if a player is deemed surplus to requirements, and it is deemed in everyone's interests for the player to be free to move on, then an agreement will be reached on paying up all (or some) of the remaining contract term.

But a player being transferred will be moving from one contract to another (in many cases, on a greater salary and quite possibly of a greater length). In such circumstances, I would be absolutely amazed if the selling club was required to pay up the remaining duration of the contract.

 

[Neecha]

saw us coming then watched us walk away.

http://m.sunderlandecho.com/sport/su...stle-1-6410843

 

[golddene]

Poyet hasn't brought him for scoring goals. He'll use him as he did when he managed us... as the integral player just in front of the defence, as he did so superbly for us, breaking up the opposition's play and pinging a simple pass to get things moving. He'll be very important to the system Poyet will want Sunderland to use. 3 million quid sounds like a bargain to me.

Was a brilliant servant to us and i will miss his wholehearted displays,winning tackles/headers he had no right to etc etc. I too believe we have been mugged off,even at 5million he would have been a steal. He always played well and barring one or two slips has always been our strongest player leading by example, our loss is definitely Sunderlands gain. I look forward now to Hanson/lawrenson/Shearer,purring on about what a quality signing he has been,and that there must be other brilliant prospects plying their trade in the lower leagues and so on......I FEEL GUTTED.

 

[symyjym]

Was a brilliant servant to us and i will miss his wholehearted displays,winning tackles/headers he had no right to etc etc. I too believe we have been mugged off,even at 5million he would have been a steal. He always played well and barring one or two slips has always been our strongest player leading by example, our loss is definitely Sunderlands gain. I look forward now to Hanson/lawrenson/Shearer,purring on about what a quality signing he has been,and that there must be other brilliant prospects plying their trade in the lower leagues and so on......I FEEL GUTTED.

I will certainly miss his goal scoring ability and direct football.

.............Oh hang on.

 

[pottert]

I have a few issues

What good is selling one of your best players because it's good business when the money is not invested back into the team.

What message has the bridcutt saga sent to (a) fellow players & (b) other clubs.

I know that every player has his price but to my knowledge I don't think this was too good an offer to turn down.
I think the club were bullied into agreeing a deal.Selling a player for 2.5 m who cost nothing sounds like good business
but every other player in the squad has seen how a offer was refused then a transfer request submitted then an offer accepted.
Also other clubs have seen how making an offer for one of our players if at first is declined if you persist you can get your man.

 

[jessiejames]

We turn down original bid of 2m/2.5m + add ons hoping other clubs come in for LB, this didn't happen,we go back to Sunderland and say we accept original bid. Sunderland say no but will offer you £2.5m with no add ons,we are then stuck with a player who does not want to be here and will go for nothing at end of season.We eventually agree to Sunderland's new offer on the bases that the transfer fee is declared as undisclosed.
Every media outlet have the fee for Bridcutt as £2.5m.
Sunderland get their man for £1m less than he is worth we get £2.5 m profit to help wit ffp.

 

[Soulman]

Have a little faith, undisclosed fee, yet most sources say 2.5m..........i would wager that the "undisclosed" means a fair bit more.

 

[Bozza]

We turn down original bid of 2m/2.5m + add ons hoping other clubs come in for LB, this didn't happen,we go back to Sunderland and say we accept original bid. Sunderland say no but will offer you £2.5m with no add ons,we are then stuck with a player who does not want to be here and will go for nothing at end of season.We eventually agree to Sunderland's new offer on the bases that the transfer fee is declared as undisclosed.
Every media outlet have the fee for Bridcutt as £2.5m.
Sunderland get their man for £1m less than he is worth we get £2.5 m profit to help wit ffp.

It was a lot closer to £3.5m up front than £2.5m.

 

[jessiejames]

It was a lot closer to £3.5m up front than £2.5m.

Every media outlet that I have read has it £2.5m I have not seen anything saying higher than that figure I hope to be proved wrong

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Every media outlet that I have read has it £2.5m I have not seen anything saying higher than that figure I hope to be proved wrong

Intrigued as to why you'd choose to believe the media over Bozza.

You think some Sun journalist has an in who dishes the dirt on our transfer dealings??