[Brighton] Levi Colwill *Signed on Season-Long Loan 05/08/2022*

[HalfaSeatOn]

Businesses take on contractors to fill skills gaps. Does a good job and this STH will be happy. When he stops a certain goal or heads in from a corner, doubt his ‘on loan’ status will even get a thought.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

This. Credit to [MENTION=24827]Justice[/MENTION] for calling it and getting taken to task by the NSC knowalls. We have the Cucurella hole patched up while we decide what the permanent rebuild looks like. In those circumstances a loan is ok.

Given the club by its own admission prepare well in advance for all circumstances, and given Burn left some time ago, Cucurella was likely to go, I would suggest that we must have been prepared for this. I don’t agree with loans, and with a few exceptions, don’t see them as a positive approach.

This is only our second in the PL I believe and the other one was a shocker, also a Chelsea loan via Huddersfield.

Edit also Mooy but he was loan to buy, which I hoped Levi would be.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

This. Credit to [MENTION=24827]Justice[/MENTION] for calling it and getting taken to task by the NSC knowalls. We have the Cucurella hole patched up while we decide what the permanent rebuild looks like. In those circumstances a loan is ok.

We might have a third of it patched up.

In Cucu's LCB guise ..... maybe we do have it patched up. Certainly i'd agree with you if we were getting in a proven player in that position. This is a 19 year old with no top level experience. He might turn out to be a future England international, but he'll be learning by his mistakes here. Colwill has a great chance of going to have a better career than any of the other young defenders at the club, but i'm far from convinced he's a better bet right now, for this season than Clarke at 24 and Van Hecke at 22 who've both played a lot more football.

As a Left Back. From what I hear, Colwill would be a player filling in there at best

Left Wing back. Almost certainly not

Sorry to be a knowall, but I still don't see the logic of it.

 

[blockhseagull]

Given the club by its own admission prepare well in advance for all circumstances, and given Burn left some time ago, Cucurella was likely to go, I would suggest that we must have been prepared for this. I don’t agree with loans, and with a few exceptions, don’t see them as a positive approach.

This is only our second in the PL I believe and the other one was a shocker, also a Chelsea loan via Huddersfield.

Krul
Mooy
Brown

That’s three already plus Colwill

 

[Guinness Boy]

Given the club by its own admission prepare well in advance for all circumstances, and given Burn left some time ago, Cucurella was likely to go, I would suggest that we must have been prepared for this. I don’t agree with loans, and with a few exceptions, don’t see them as a positive approach.

This is only our second in the PL I believe and the other one was a shocker, also a Chelsea loan via Huddersfield.

Izzy Brown? We'll never really know because he had a career affecting injury before he got going.

Loans are far from ideal but I don't think anyone will ever really know the full details of this deal. It may be a loan to buy option. It may be that they were asking too much for a permie or the player wouldn't agree to it. Like I said, it's a sticking plaster and I wouldn't personally fancy starting the season with a gaping wound, as the actress said to the bishop.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Krul
Mooy
Brown

That’s three already plus Colwill

Forgot Mooy, understandably….. 3 good games

Thought Krull was permanent

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Krul
Mooy
Brown

That’s three already plus Colwill

Ulloa

 

[Popeye]

While I would have preferred a permanent deal for this kid, welcome anyway and hopefully he helps us out this season. Does seem like he has a lot of promise for sure.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Ulloa

Yes - good call, that went well as well…….

Not much positive evidence yet.

 

[Withdean11]

I think the club have nailed it personally.

Tried to stall a deal whilst we’ve looked at other LB alternatives that haven’t come off. Once the Cucurella deal is done every player would rise in value because they know we have the best part of £60m in our pocket.

Take a loan player as cover for the LCB position and now can explore other options in the remaining weeks for a LB without having a gun to our head.

Smart move all round I think.

Yeah I see what you’re saying, but, I find it strange how we would favour a loan over purchase with a buy back. While the buy back wouldn’t be ideal, it would at least guarantee us SOME profit if we were to lose the player. This way we are guaranteed to lose a potentially £50m player for nothing.

Honestly I’d rather develop Van Hecke.

 

[Springal]

Yeah I see what you’re saying, but, I find it strange how we would favour a loan over purchase with a buy back. While the buy back wouldn’t be ideal, it would at least guarantee us SOME profit if we were to lose the player. This way we are guaranteed to lose a potentially £50m player for nothing.

Honestly I’d rather develop Van Hecke.

If we use Ben White as a benchmark - then 1 good season Colwill is worth £50M. So we’d never agree to that. And I would bet at this point Colwill won’t want to commit at only 19

 

[Guinness Boy]

We might have a third of it patched up.

In Cucu's LCB guise ..... maybe we do have it patched up. Certainly i'd agree with you if we were getting in a proven player in that position. This is a 19 year old with no top level experience. He might turn out to be a future England international, but he'll be learning by his mistakes here. Colwill has a great chance of going to have a better career than any of the other young defenders at the club, but i'm far from convinced he's a better bet right now, for this season than Clarke at 24 and Van Hecke at 22 who've both played a lot more football.

As a Left Back. From what I hear, Colwill would be a player filling in there at best

Left Wing back. Almost certainly not

Sorry to be a knowall, but I still don't see the logic of it.

I don't think for a second that Colwill replaces Cucurella, whether it's loan or perm, otherwise they would just have given Colwill a squad number.

I was more talking about Justice being shouted down for saying he'd heard from the Chelsea side of things that it would be a loan, when, apparently, we don't do them.

They are a risk. But, in this specific instance, much less risky than doing nothing.

Let's see the kid play first, eh?

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

I don't think for a second that Colwill replaces Cucurella, whether it's loan or perm, otherwise they would just have given Colwill a squad number.

I was more talking about Justice being shouted down for saying he'd heard from the Chelsea side of things that it would be a loan, when, apparently, we don't do them.

They are a risk. But, in this specific instance, much less risky than doing nothing.

Let's see the kid play first, eh?

To be fair, for me it’s certainly not an ability thing, but developing another clubs player over our own. Just don’t agree with it.

 

[Guinness Boy]

To be fair, for me it’s certainly not an ability thing, but developing another clubs player over our own. Just don’t agree with it.

I get that as well, but we get a lot of our players developed by other clubs in this way, including, famously, Ben White, so I don't think this is an argument that our top brass can use.

 

[blockhseagull]

Yeah I see what you’re saying, but, I find it strange how we would favour a loan over purchase with a buy back. While the buy back wouldn’t be ideal, it would at least guarantee us SOME profit if we were to lose the player. This way we are guaranteed to lose a potentially £50m player for nothing.

Honestly I’d rather develop Van Hecke.

Did we favour a loan ? Or did we just not come to an agreement on the buyback ? Without knowing what fee they wanted for Colwill and what fee they wanted to set regarding the buyback it’s difficult to know how viable it was. With a buyback there really has to be a good return to risk spending £20m ish on a defender with no PL experience.

A loan covers is in that we have another body in who can fill some of the positions Cucarella played and gives us bit of flexibility in the rest of the window.

I don’t think they feel Van Hecke is ready yet so another loan seems likely

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

I get that as well, but we get a lot of our players developed by other clubs in this way, including, famously, Ben White, so I don't think this is an argument that our top brass can use.

But we’re massive now , so it’s different….

With White we were helping a small team achieve their footballing ambition for a couple of seasons (hopefully).

 

[Springal]

I get that as well, but we get a lot of our players developed by other clubs in this way, including, famously, Ben White, so I don't think this is an argument that our top brass can use.

Indeed - saying we’re developing Colwill is like saying Leeds developed Ben White. You can’t have it both ways.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Did we favour a loan ? Or did we just not come to an agreement on the buyback ? Without knowing what fee they wanted for Colwill and what fee they wanted to set regarding the buyback it’s difficult to know how viable it was. With a buyback there really has to be a good return to risk spending £20m ish on a defender with no PL experience.

A loan covers is in that we have another body in who can fill some of the positions Cucarella played and gives us bit of flexibility in the rest of the window.

I don’t think they feel Van Hecke is ready yet so another loan seems likely

But even with a £45m buy-back we’ve made a profit.

Given there’ll be a loan fee, I can’t see any positive. I do agree with your first para though, it might have been a number of factors.

 

[Guinness Boy]

But we’re massive now , so it’s different….

With White we were helping a small team achieve their footballing ambition for a couple of seasons (hopefully).

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Indeed - saying we’re developing Colwill is like saying Leeds developed Ben White. You can’t have it both ways.

Bit different when you’re in the same position and have promising players of your own?