[Albion] Leicester City's goal - what happened?

[Machiavelli]

No, Hammonds against Blackpool last season was better

This. I was shouting at him to replicate it.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Did anybody say Ward should have been marking fresh air?
If you read it again but properly this time you will see I said that the goal came from the position that Ward would and possibly should have been in ie the left back position. Irrespective of who should or should not have been marking him. Most teams in our league operate a man for man. zonal marking system whereby you mark a player but also an area if a player should pop up in that area.

Eh...Left backs or any players (bar the goalie) don't necessarily stay in the same position for free kicks...if you bother to watch it you will see players all in one area well away from that side of the goal.....so by your reckoning even if every player from the opposition goes to one side of the goal...all players must stay in there positions? Thats Cuckoo...fact is it was a clever free kick and someone should have picked up the run that was made..that doesn't have to be Ward...and in the end it didn't matter we won!

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

You don't have players on the back post for a free kick. Corner yes, free kick no (unless the free kick is along the goal line somewhere!)

Why not? Would have meant that King didn't have a free header...

 

[LamieRobertson]

Why not? Would have meant that King didn't have a free header...

And defend inside our six yard box ruling out any chance of offside?

 

[Prince Monolulu]

Shirley no.3 should have been there in his correct position and not move whatsoever from his post. Dereliction of duty what what. Jumpers for Goalposts........

 

[LamieRobertson]

Shirley no.3 should have been there in his correct position and not move whatsoever from his post. Dereliction of duty what what. Jumpers for Goalposts........

Firing squad then..6 am sharp

 

[Sheebo]

Thanks - I did wonder whether offside had a part to play in this. However, I would have thought that concern of keeping opponents onside was of secondary importance to the advantage of defenders being able to attack the ball. But in both free-kicks and corners, that standard method of defending set-pieces seems to be gone from the modern game, perhaps, as you say, because of the dangers of playing attackers onside. And I think it did used to be deployed all the time to defend free-kicks from wide positions, at least in the 1980s.

Another dying art is the player at the near post at a corner to flick on to the penalty spot for a lorryload of attackers to charge in to bury home...

You will never get teams doing that unless the free kick is v near the goal line. It would be ludicrous to play them all onside as they could just stand right in front of the keeper and any touch would usually mean a goal!

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

And defend inside our six yard box ruling out any chance of offside?

Personally, I think trying to get the opponents offside is not really a high priority when defending a dangerous free-kick from that position.

If you have a player on each post, it would prevent a free header at the back post through an attacker escaping his marker (at the moment all you need is one attacker to evade his marking, and he is completely free, especially if all other marked players are moving as decoys towards a different position).

Sticking a player on each post would also be advantageous as these defenders are facing the direction they wish to clear the ball to, reducing the chance of own goals.

At least that's my rationale. I admit, it might be complete bobbins, but I would be interested in what people have found in their own playing experiences, regarding defending free-kicks from a diagonal position as it was yesterday.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Personally, I think trying to get the opponents offside is not really a high priority when defending a dangerous free-kick from that position.

If you have a player on each post, it would prevent a free header at the back post through an attacker escaping his marker (at the moment all you need is one attacker to evade his marking, and he is completely free, especially if all other marked players are moving as decoys towards a different position).

Sticking a player on each post would also be advantageous as these defenders are facing the direction they wish to clear the ball to, reducing the chance of own goals.

At least that's my rationale. I admit, it might be complete bobbins, but I would be interested in what people have found in their own playing experiences, regarding defending free-kicks from a diagonal position as it was yesterday.

A dangerous position but not one where the guy was likely to score direct...hence it was going to be a cross/pass and yes you aren't going to defend inside your six yard box and are going to try and catch someone offside...but as importantly defend it..which involves tracking runs...something we didn't do effectively

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

Although it was written about throw-ins (for which you can't be offside from), Lee Dixon seems to offer similar principles from his Arsenal days with the best headers of the ball starting from their goal line, and attacking the ball that was whipped in:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7705772.stm

 

[drew]

Why not? Would have meant that King didn't have a free header...

Personally, I think trying to get the opponents offside is not really a high priority when defending a dangerous free-kick from that position.

If you have a player on each post, it would prevent a free header at the back post through an attacker escaping his marker (at the moment all you need is one attacker to evade his marking, and he is completely free, especially if all other marked players are moving as decoys towards a different position).

Sticking a player on each post would also be advantageous as these defenders are facing the direction they wish to clear the ball to, reducing the chance of own goals.

At least that's my rationale. I admit, it might be complete bobbins, but I would be interested in what people have found in their own playing experiences, regarding defending free-kicks from a diagonal position as it was yesterday.

Although it was written about throw-ins (for which you can't be offside from), Lee Dixon seems to offer similar principles from his Arsenal days with the best headers of the ball starting from their goal line, and attacking the ball that was whipped in:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7705772.stm

How long have you been watching football? I ask because, presumably, you are aware that the vast majority of the footballing world do not agree with your comments about putting defenders on the post for free kicks! Lee Dixon comments on Rory Delap precisely because there is no offside and the attackers can crowd the 6 yrd box. If there was offside from throw-ins then the defenders would push up (unless the throw in itself was near the goal line). I think most people would agree that there is a greater risk to the goal if you allow the attackers to get as close as they like, which is what would happen with your defenders on the posts!

What went wrong yesterday was that Barnes go caught out by what was probably a rehearsed run by King. By making a run from the position he was in past the edge of the area where both attackers are jostling and defenders marking there is a strong probability King's defender is going to get blocked by either the attackers or the defenders.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

How long have you been watching football? I ask because, presumably, you are aware that the vast majority of the footballing world do not agree with your comments about putting defenders on the post for free kicks! Lee Dixon comments on Rory Delap precisely because there is no offside and the attackers can crowd the 6 yrd box. If there was offside from throw-ins then the defenders would push up (unless the throw in itself was near the goal line). I think most people would agree that there is a greater risk to the goal if you allow the attackers to get as close as they like, which is what would happen with your defenders on the posts!

What went wrong yesterday was that Barnes go caught out by what was probably a rehearsed run by King. By making a run from the position he was in past the edge of the area where both attackers are jostling and defenders marking there is a strong probability King's defender is going to get blocked by either the attackers or the defenders.

I've been watching football for ages. And I know, I know. I know what I'm saying isn't the majority view

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

I've been watching football for ages. And I know, I know. I know what I'm saying isn't the majority view

and wrong...........sorry

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

and wrong...........sorry

S'cool! I get that's what you think. But surely there's more than one way to play football, including defending?

 

[StanmoreSeagull]

I thought too many men in the wall. Obvious it would be a cross so we had too many to mark.

 

[BensGrandad]

And defend inside our six yard box ruling out any chance of offside?

Just answer me one question do you ever watch football?

 

[drew]

Just answer me one question do you ever watch football?

Seems an odd comment! What was wrong with what LR had said because if I read it correctly, he is confirming that you wouldn't defend a free kick with men on the post as you give the attackers licence to get closer to your goal!

 

[LamieRobertson]

Just answer me one question do you ever watch football?

as a poster said..odd comment....best get over it and move on

 

[BensGrandad]

I cannot understand all this not covering the posts with a player in order to get an offside. You are taking a chance that the lino will see it and flag then the ref agree and give it. I would think it is far better to defend the kick and clear the ball away even if into row z, having established the route of the ball it is easy to adjust your position and move out if needed to make the player offside for the 2nd ball, which is more likely to be given

 

[Thunder Bolt]

You will never get teams doing that unless the free kick is v near the goal line. It would be ludicrous to play them all onside as they could just stand right in front of the keeper and any touch would usually mean a goal!

Exactly.