[Albion] Leicester City vs Brighton & Hove Albion *** Official Match Thread ***

[Guinness Boy]

No, the biggest problem is the impatience of our entitled fans. It stymies development, extinguishes creativity, jumps on errors, finger points at the first possible opportunity, bad mouths every player, shows a new type of “support.” One which overloads on pithy deconstruction of each player’s ability. And then overlays that with Potter bashing.

Go and shop. You won’t be missed.


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There's nothing entitled about wanting us to show a bit of ambition.

Fans have not been in the ground for months, the players should be free to express themselves and yet we are going downhill in comparison to previous seasons. If they really come on NSC after a poor performance they deserve everything they read. I'm pretty sure they'll just go over the game video with the coaches though

When we're all back together in a 30k crowd it will be joyous. I can't see any moaning actually happening in the ground the first time we're back. However, if we just spend every season aiming for 16th and having the joy of the game sucked out by VAR and stupid kick off times, you bet I won't renew past the first season properly back.

 

[origigull]

Because his whole body is behind the ball. The camera angle puts his head over the offside line but if in line it isn’t. You could see the geometry being done when the checked it.

To be honest I thought Vardy had his hand and wrist offside and going by Bamford the other week with his arm . . . Well you need consistent decisions. Does not matter now though.

 

[BN41Albion]

Should have beaten them at the tail end of last season but Maupay missed a fecking penalty


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We missed a glorious chance to win a game?!

No way, surely not

 

[vagabond]

The pledge by owner Tony Bloom for Brighton to become a top-10 team, and his belief in the somewhat inexperienced Potter to get them there, looked like hubris.

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/premier-league-preview-can-brighton-become-a-top-half-side

By our very own Chailey Jem, not a man given to exaggeration.

When do you think we should aim for it then? 2035?

Do you understand what a long term goal is?

 

[Guinness Boy]

Do you understand what a long term goal is?

Yup. I didn't say "this season" anywhere in the post Plooks quoted. Find it for me if you can.

 

[vagabond]

Yup. I didn't say "this season" anywhere in the post Plooks quoted. Find it for me if you can.

This is the biggest problem we have IMO. “We’re just glad to be here”. 16tn or 17th in perpetuity? I’d rather spend my Saturdays taking my daughter and wife shopping. Deliver on the top ten promise or **** off.

How can they deliver on a top 10 now when it’s a long term goal?

 

[Guinness Boy]

How can they deliver on a top 10 now when it’s a long term goal?

You do understand what "in perpetuity" means?

They need to start delivering on it right now though. Potter's had a season and just over a quarter and that's a long time in football, especially when we seem to be going backwards. Or does the long term plan include a few seasons yo-yoing in and out of the Championship?

 

[Guinness Boy]

Yes I see that. That is the pledge I have seen. It does not mention doing it this year, so why do you have ants in your pants about doing it this season?

FFS

Where have I said THIS season?

I said deliver on the promise. We are currently going backwards. Perhaps you need to read Bozza's thread comparing where we are at this stage against all our previous EPL seasons

So when do you think we should be established top ten? 2022? 2028? 2050? 4000?

 

[Guinness Boy]

How are you measuring the progress?

Results

Why does where we are after 10ish games in a season accurately measure that progress?

Because results.

The progress is not just on field results it's a far more wide reaching thing than that.

But the pledge I quoted is only achieved by results.

What other progress? We play "better football" but we have a worse defence. We have a coach with a degree in emotional understanding and a number nine and goalkeeper who look like emotional wrecks. We have a Technical Director who is, according to [MENTION=30752]NooBHA[/MENTION] putting in rules about who can and can't play.

Meanwhile, over at Southampton.......

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

You do understand what "in perpetuity" means?

They need to start delivering on it right now though. Potter's had a season and just over a quarter and that's a long time in football, especially when we seem to be going backwards. Or does the long term plan include a few seasons yo-yoing in and out of the Championship?

Didn’t someone (Tony ?) say that relegation is very much a possibility on the way to delivery of the long term goals ? Sorry, I googled but couldn’t find it.

 

[Weststander]

You asked them to deliver it.
They are though. We are closer to top ten then previous seasons, just look at the squad. Getting to top ten may even involve a setback like relagation one year. It won't necessarily be a straight year on year improvement in results.
But then knee jerkers like you don't have any patience so I don't know why I bother trying to explain it, it is clearly too complex for you.

League position, wins, goals scored, clean sheets ..... are everything.

A squad is a tool to get there, not something to rather excited about as a mark of success.

On paper, I’d agree that we have a few more desirable players that in the past - Lallana, Bissouma, Lamptey and Veltman look consistently the real deal, perhaps White if he was allowed to play in his correct position every game. But beyond that, who would attract a raft of EPL suitors just now?

I rate Solly and Alzate, but I recognise that many other fans don’t.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Didn’t someone (Tony ?) say that relegation is very much a possibility on the way to delivery of the long term goals ? Sorry, I googled but couldn’t find it.

Possibly but why start again, and why get rid of Hughton for only nearly taking us down?

In any case - obviously with 20/20 hindsight - The Championship is the last place you want to be at the moment. All those wages, less TV money and no fans. A total money pit.

In many seasons going down, regrouping, going back up and having some wins for the fans and another parade would be fine. But going down this season could be very expensive and it's a risk I doubt Tony realistically wants to take.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I am sorry I can not disagree with this knee jerk short-termist view at all. IF we are to become a top ten side it is not by simply plowing money into a squad to get results. That MIGHT get us too ten once or twice, but it won't keep us there. It will result in us going into financial meltdown if we have a bad season and tumbling back into obscurity.
We need to build a solid base, that mean investing in off the field staff, facilities, improving the youth etc. All these won't result in point THIS SEASON. But will give us a better future where we can maintain a higher level than now.
Be patient, let's do it properly and not just fudge it for instant gratification.

I'm beginning to doubt you're an actual football fan at all. When it's all up and running normally do you go along with a camera and spreadsheet and spend 90 minutes admiring the facilities and back room staff? No wonder Bournemouth called us Facilities FC.

I go for a day out with my mates and a few sherberts. I spend a lot of money on it and for that I want to see us at least try, which we didn't look like in the first half last night. A bit of entertainment would be good. Jumping up and down like a nutter when we score without worrying about some super-computer in Heathrow. At the end of the 90 minutes I'll be delighted if we've won, down if we've lost and indifferent if we've drawn. I'll still go to the bar to see my friends though, and we'll be talking about the game we just watched, not some promising 17 year old left back from Albania or how nice the goal nets are.

 

[Guinness Boy]

We are not going to go from where we are now to top ten over one summer! That is ****ing nonsense.

After 28 matches of the 2014-15 season Leicester City were rock bottom of the table. They managed to finish that season 14th with 41 points but sacked Pearson anyway. The next season they won the league.

They are a VERY similar club to us in stadium and catchment area size and had also been in League one in the 2000s. We have exactly the same potential. And it's not me saying that, it was said to an audience of Brighton fans by the chief sports writer of The Telegraph.

Your attitude is that of a serial loser with no ambition.

 

[Weststander]

WTF!? I am just able to separate a long term goal from the immediate 90mins. That is all it is. Aiming for top ten sustainably over a period of years does not mean we win this particular game. The two are completely different. We are where we are this season, moaning about it is not changing it, we are in a scrap and we probably will be next year, and the year after. We will be until we finally break the top ten. We are not going to go from where we are now to top ten over one summer! That is ****ing nonsense.

7 EPL transfer windows so far, we can’t use the newbies excuse indefinitely.

Similar budgets CP, Stains and Newcastle seem to chisel a steady flow of league wins, without white flag waving that ah well, we don’t have as big a budget as Leicester or Everton.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Yes. But they have built their base, we have not yet. You only have to look at their history over the last few decades to see we are playing catch-up. They are similar in many ways and we COULD do a similar thing as them I agree, but it's stupid to think it will happen overnight. We have had 4 years in the Premier league. Four, EVER. We need to grow into it.
I would rather us repeat the last four years for the next decade than spunk cash about get into the top ten briefly and then find ourselves bankrupt and in league 2 again.

Absolute nonsense.

Leicester won the title in their second Premier League season. We're in our fourth and the academy and Lancing facilities were there in the Championship. We built our base when we sacked that clown Hyypia.

 

[Kosh]

It’s still sore this evening, we were so poor last night... disjointed, messy like a mid table championship team... nowhere near good enough.

With the current crop of players, I really can’t fathom our shape and selection policy - at times it seems like random rotation around a core of regulars... GP suggested when he arrived he wanted to build on the base laid by CH... has he really built on anything ? He’s given us a flattering style with zero guile and a lack of cutting edge when it counts... he talks about progress about building something, the truth is that the points tally is currently worse than in previous seasons. Yes, we’ve had a tough start but I have no faith we’ll beat a confident Fulham - why would I? There’s the rub for me, if I’m losing faith surely the players are questioning his methods... ? I know I would be.

 

[Weststander]

I strongly believe we can compete with those teams, we may well do this season anyway. We knew this start would be tough before the season started.
But, again, those teams are much more well known as premier league teams than us unfortunately. Nothing can change that other than time and playing attractive football, giving youth a chance and building a reputation.

In the pre season poll, did NSC believe this season would be a fourth tough relegation battle? I recall optimism.

Those wins over Arsenal, Norwich and Burnley, playing great football, to be built on with the proven class of Veltman and Lallana. Regular fans punchbags (after any bad result) Muzza, Stephens, Mooy and Duffy moved on, to allow Total Football.

 

[Kosh]

In the pre season poll, did NSC believe this season would be a fourth tough relegation battle? I recall optimism.

Those wins over Arsenal, Norwich and Burnley, playing great football, to be built on with the proven class of Veltman and Lallana. Regular fans punchbags (after any bad result) Muzza, Stephens, Mooy and Duffy moved on, to allow Total Football.

Yes that’s it, It’s a huge anti-climax... and that is hard to take, really genuinely difficult to digest... what’s gone wrong? - something has...

 

[Weststander]

Yes that’s it, It’s a huge anti-climax... and that is hard to take, really genuinely hard.

Can you sit back and enjoy it at all with irony?

We were so bad last night, that my son felt the pain and disappeared at 2-0. I carried on, for a gallows humour piss take of the overall incompetence of Potter and a few players. Honourable exceptions Bissouma and Veltman, whilst Solly and White were okay.

I think I’m punch drunk after 3.3 seasons of us so very often losing, but this was not a nail biting late loss eg suffered at WHL.