Legal challenge to FFP in the offing? Guardian piece inc. Mr Barber

[Spun Cuppa]

Interesting piece outlining a possible legal challenge to FFP by the 'big spenders'

Ker-ching for the laywers

http://gu.com/p/3n553/tw

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

So now several clubs are opposed to the idea of being fined around £20M for buying promotion into the Premier League because they've decided to stick two fingers up to FFP ?

 

[Ernest]

Not surprised this is happening, should be simple if the clubs don't want to play by the agreed rules then boot them out of the league

 

[Spun Cuppa]

So it would appear. The legal costs would be small beer compared with what they might 'save' in fines. Money talks and bullsh*t walks

 

[Seagull over Canaryland]

Surprise, surprise. A Championship club spending big to get to the Prem cries foul over FFP.

Will be interesting to see what, if any, legal judgement comes out of this.

The sooner the whole debate around FFP and whether it will be enforced is flushed into the open the better.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Not surprised this is happening, should be simple if the clubs don't want to play by the agreed rules then boot them out of the league

This is pretty much it.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Still a huge advantage for those clubs relegated from the Prem.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Still a huge advantage for those clubs relegated from the Prem.

I think the FL will have to re-appraise the figures for the 2014/15 season onwards as the 3 relegated side from the PL this season will now get a £23M parachute payment for their first season back in The Championship.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Mental. "Please can our slightly dubious owners keep funding unsustainable losses because that's what the big clubs and the media expect."

ankers

 

[warsaw]

Follow up from the same journalist here http://www.theguardian.com/football...-play-clubs-threat-football-league?CMP=twt_gu

 

[Spun Cuppa]

I can understand the player recruitment embargo sanction being effective, as any financial penalty would just be factored into any overspend used to gain promotion to the PL by wealthy owners

 

[Pavilionaire]

I'm concerned by the size of those parachute payments: For the Albion to get promoted each season we have to finish above 3 teams getting £23 million, 2 getting £18 million and 4 or 5 on £9 million. That's one hell of an obstacle.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

I'm concerned by the size of those parachute payments: For the Albion to get promoted each season we have to finish above 3 teams getting £23 million, 2 getting £18 million and 4 or 5 on £9 million. That's one hell of an obstacle.

Exactly.


By rights it will be the same clubs yo yo ing between the two divisions

 

[nwgull]

I'm concerned by the size of those parachute payments: For the Albion to get promoted each season we have to finish above 3 teams getting £23 million, 2 getting £18 million and 4 or 5 on £9 million. That's one hell of an obstacle.

Last year, we finished above about 7 of them, as well as Leicester who spent a fortune.

Parachute payments guarantee nothing, especially with the millstone of a squad full of Championship quality players on Premier League contracts.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Last year, we finished above about 7 of them, as well as Leicester who spent a fortune.

Parachute payments guarantee nothing, especially with the millstone of a squad full of Championship quality players on Premier League contracts.

But the point is parachute payments are going up by £11 million over 4 years while allowable losses under FFP have to decrease on a sliding scale. In a couple of years our permitted losses will be £5 million not £8 million while first year parachute for the relegated will be £23 million not £16 million. That's a swing of £10 million between competitors.

The days of clubs doing a Swansea will soon be over.

 

[ManxSeagull]

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't all the clubs sign up to the rules at the beginning of the season and therefore shouldn't be able to mount a legal challenge.

They all sign up to two teams being automatically being promoted and one team by the playoffs. Based on a club challenging the FFP rules, what stops a club mounting a challenge for not being promoted when they finished third?

If you don't like the rules, tough, don't sign up and agree to the conditions etc set at the beginning of the season the moan later, challenge them first !!!

 

[Grassman]

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't all the clubs sign up to the rules at the beginning of the season and therefore shouldn't be able to mount a legal challenge.

They all sign up to two teams being automatically being promoted and one team by the playoffs. Based on a club challenging the FFP rules, what stops a club mounting a challenge for not being promoted when they finished third?

If you don't like the rules, tough, don't sign up and agree to the conditions etc set at the beginning of the season the moan later, challenge them first !!!

Exactly. It wasn't imposed on the clubs, the clubs voted for it.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Unfortunately the League need to tread carefully. The Premiership are not cosy bedfellows and as has been muted before a breakaway second division of the Premiership could become a distinct possibility. This undoubtedly will benefit the top clubs within the Championship probably including us but will lead to the end of the football league as we know it.

It has been spoken about before and all the time we were at Withdean I was worried but even now I wouldn't be happy.

I totally agree with the league and their stance, I do however believe that with a legal challenge it could cause no end of problems.

A second division of the Premiership with say, 20 clubs, would be fully funded and the parachute payments would become unnecessary,a vision held by many.

It's all greed I'm afraid.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

There is a simple solution to all of this.

Cut costs and share the wealth.

 

[Ernest]

We would be in the Premiership 2 like a shot if it was ever set up, would mean loads more TV money and teams wouldn't be so far apart in wealth thus making the leagues more competitive. As long as the rest of the clubs didn't suffer then it is the way to go