[Misc] Lefty loonies

[sussex_guy2k2]

I'm going to defend [MENTION=144]goldstone[/MENTION], although he (and I'm sure I've got the sex right here) can speak for himself, this minor tweaking of the ASA is more appropriately aligned with the left rather than the right, as the left are interested in equality, whereas the right are interested in inequality including but not necessarily involving (but by no means limited to) stereotyping and discrimination.

I would debate this very much. I mean Labour at this moment are a divided party for many reasons, including their approach to issues such as antisemetism.

 

[studio150]

 

[Machiavelli]

Well I certainly don't think that its a binary distinction, obviously political values are in 3D and there are axis' of economic, law, social politics where people can vary markedly. And of course there are many cases where freedom and equality go hand in hand.

I believe that all political groupings are 'for' something and hold that their beliefs are for the good of society, whatever others may think. So no, I don't believe that the right are for inequality, no, that is merely a feature of the politics of freedom that they hold. Exclusivity is likewise a feature of capitalism that individuals of all political hues value to some degree. And the elderly (and middle-aged, in all truth) of all hues value the past, but I don't believe that is linked to a party anymore than the fact that the elderly tend to vote to the right. I get very nostalgic in my middle years.

And although fascists are indeed seen to be of the right, their anti-semitism, anti-elitism and so on suggests they are a third way entirely, but its pointless to bring fascism into this debate because they are irrelevant to modern politics. There is also a branch of thought that all current political parties are of the right, and the left is where communists and extreme socialists sit. There is certainly truth evident in this by the response to certain of Corbyn's policies which can be fairly mild and middle-of-the-road and yet denounced as loony socialism

One of the great failings of the left (again, I am one) is that we fail to understand the right and why they vote why they do; and one of the failings of partisanship on both sides is that we don't value what the other side brings to our society. A little thanks can never go amiss.

Another good response, and there's much that I agree with in here, but also stuff that I disagree with. I won't unpack this, as I've got work to do.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

I won't unpack this, as I've got work to do.

So do I - now you're just making me feel guilty

 

[goldstone]

The last comment is interesting.

Do you find adverts funny ?

Have you got a box set of Carling Black Label classics ?





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Actually I never watch adverts. If I'm watching live TV I mute it during the ads or channel surf. Most of the time I watch stuff I've recorded so I fast forward thru the ads.

The thing about this that bugs me is that it's a BAN. Seems like taking a bloody great hammer to crack a nut.

And TV ads causing psychological harm? Come on!

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

"Adverts showing a woman struggling to park a car or a man refusing to do housework while his wife cooks dinner will be banned from next year as part of an industry-wide crackdown on sexist stereotypes.
Under the new rules, British companies will no longer be able to create promotions that depict men and women engaged in gender-stereotypical activities, amid fears that such depictions are contributing to pay inequality and causing psychological harm.
Adverts will no longer be able to show a person failing to achieve a task specifically because of their gender, such as a man unable to change a nappy or a woman unable to do DIY".


Oh dear. The world has lost its sense of humour.

is it gender fluid
regards
DR

 

[The Clamp]

Who watches adverts anymore?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Rubbish. I'm no capitalist but capitalism values human progress much moreso than socialism, which values equality at the expense of progress.

Why aren't you a capitalist? By your definition capitalism sounds great!!! Perhaps this is a Freudian slip since your posts on this thread show you are against change and progress. Do you therefore (according to your own definitions) identify yourself as a socialist? Or are you just a bit confused and reactionary?

 

[Lower West Stander]

Haven't read the whole thread but my problem with this is how do you interpret and where do you draw the line?

I was watching an interview with the lady from advertising standards on BBC Breakfast this morning and when she was given certain examples of whether this was acceptable or not her reply was constantly "it depends". If she doesn't know without having a full on meeting with her colleagues about it, what hope is there for the rest of us?

I'm all for stopping gender stereotyping but too many people have too many interpretations of what this actually means.

 

[Hungry Joe]

Good response, although I disagree. Would you consider fascism to be of the right (and, if not, why not?), because if it is, then you can't align the right with freedom. Freedom is a highly contested term, and I don't think it defines the left-right distinction. Broadly, I think the left are for equality, inclusivity and are future-oriented (ie believe there can be a better future) whereas the right are for inequality, exclusivity and value the past.

'Right' and 'Left', and the 'fars' of each are too broad terms to be able to try and define views on freedom and equality. The Soviet Union was by anyone's definition far left, yet it curbed freedom of the individual to the n'th degree. Whilst on the other hand, elements of ideology considered far right value as a central core Libertarianism. Conversely, there is also a Socialist Libertarian political philosophy. Fascism / Nazism has more akin to Stalinism and Soviet style Socialism than it does to some other elements of 'far right' thinking.

 

[Bodian]

I did religiously and I never stopped laughing, but I won't anymore now Corbyn and James O'Brien have sucked all the humour out of them.

Did Corbyn make this ruling then?

 

[Weststander]

Unfortunately we 'generally' give our immigrants less freedom, less equality and less brotherhood. Its a recipe for disaster, unsurprisingly

Just words, which the Guardian succinctly destroyed as “illusions”.

France is a deeply divided nation with systemic racism at the local level, giving blacks and Arab Africans little hope of equality. The guardian and independent for example have covered this countless times, but for some odd reason, some Brits don’t want to know what is really going on away from Little Britain.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/world-cup-2018-latest-france-v-uruguay-preview-football-racism-patriotism-colonialism-north-africa-a8434366.html



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/17/world-cup-france-racism-olive-farmer-court

 

[The Clamp]

Personally I’d be glad to see the back of the slew of ads that depict men as bumbling incompetents that’s can’t get their kids ready for school or constantly forget special occasions. Having said that I would rather ad companies shed these outdated stereotypes of their own accord rather than a ban.

But seeing as they seem incapable of doing so , a ban is not a bad thing.
Personally I think advertising agencies take liberties in more pressing areas such as junk food ads aimed at kids and the avalanche of gambling promotions but any scrutiny of advertising practices is welcome in my opinion.

 

[crookie]

Do people still actually watch adverts

This, if so why ?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

'Right' and 'Left', and the 'fars' of each are too broad terms to be able to try and define views on freedom and equality. The Soviet Union was by anyone's definition far left, yet it curbed freedom of the individual to the n'th degree. Whilst on the other hand, elements of ideology considered far right value as a central core Libertarianism. Conversely, there is also a Socialist Libertarian political philosophy. Fascism / Nazism has more akin to Stalinism and Soviet style Socialism than it does to some other elements of 'far right' thinking.

Indeed.

Labelling also is often used to denigrate people with whom one disagrees. One of the people I have on ignore, with whom I shared amicable disagreement for quite some time, did that to me once, and once was enough. The standard reply to 'you're saying that because you're a commie/nazi' is 'and you're only saying that because you're a ****'

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Personally I’d be glad to see the back of the slew of ads that depict men as bumbling incompetents that’s can’t get their kids ready for school or constantly forget special occasions. Having said that I would rather ad companies shed these outdated stereotypes of their own accord rather than a ban.

But seeing as they seem incapable of doing so , a ban is not a bad thing.
Personally I think advertising agencies take liberties in more pressing areas such as junk food ads aimed at kids and the avalanche of gambling promotions but any scrutiny of advertising practices is welcome in my opinion.

I gambol responsibly with Bet365. I am a mountain goat. Naaaawh!

 

[Machiavelli]

'Right' and 'Left', and the 'fars' of each are too broad terms to be able to try and define views on freedom and equality. The Soviet Union was by anyone's definition far left, yet it curbed freedom of the individual to the n'th degree. Whilst on the other hand, elements of ideology considered far right value as a central core Libertarianism. Conversely, there is also a Socialist Libertarian political philosophy. Fascism / Nazism has more akin to Stalinism and Soviet style Socialism than it does to some other elements of 'far right' thinking.

Well, I've offered an example of how to distinguish them. I appreciate that it's not been too popular, but no-one really has offered up an alternative. Does this mean that they are indefinable because, if it does, they're surely redundant terms that we should consign to the dustbin of history and yet, they continue to excite/incite much interest.

 

[BadFish]

She...
she was try...
she was trying to park the car
and SHE COULDN'T DO IT

.... because she's a woman

 

[BadFish]

Who watches adverts anymore?

Well the OP doesn't apparently.

I believe we can file this thread under 'getting outraged on someone else's behalf'

 

[portlock seagull]

More stuff to get outraged about. I’m going to need a bigger notepad although I’ll stick under ‘not worth worrying about until everything else is sorted’