Leeds Utd - The saga continues

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Brovion

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Jul 6, 2003
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This is from the Yorkshire Post. I've also had an email from Rick Duniec
(Chair of the Leeds United Supporters Trust) who said that the story "still has a long long way to run yet."



POLICE are being urged to investigate whether criminal activity,
including money laundering, was involved in the controversial financial
collapse and immediate resurrection of Leeds United under the same owners.

A Yorkshire MP has called on the Serious and Organised Crime Agency
(SOCA) and the Serious Fraud Office (SFO) to probe the involvement of
anonymously-owned offshore companies in forcing through the resale of
Leeds, which had gone into administration, to a company represented by
Ken Bates - even though it was claimed they had no connection with the
club chairman.

Phil Willis, a Leeds United fan and Liberal Democrat MP for Harrogate
and Knaresborough, is highly critical of the way Leeds went into
administration with debts of £35m and then was immediately resold to the
same owners on the same day, subject to approval by creditors.

The deal was voted through by creditors last week after they were told
by the administrator, accountancy firm KPMG, that offshore companies
with a key stake in the club would only accept Mr Bates's offer despite
other bids for the club offering a greater return on money owed.

Mr Willis, who has used the device of an early day motion in the Commons
to raise what happened at Leeds, said: "What puzzles me is that within
24 hours what was an unsaleable portfolio became a potentially highly
profitable portfolio. I think that requires some examination.

"It's not unreasonable for fans and certainly creditors to know who are
the people who are writing off these large sums of money and on what basis."

Mr Bates responded yesterday by calling Mr Willis "stupid".

A club statement issued later added: "We challenge him to repeat his
allegations outside the House of Commons and we will see him in court if
he does."

The early day motion urges SOCA "to investigate whether criminal
activity including money laundering has taken place" during the
financial turmoil at Leeds.

Mr Willis is concerned about the general lack of transparency in
football, including transfer dealings, and also uses the motion to call
on the Government to make it a criminal offence for those involved in
the ownership of football clubs not to openly declare their interest.

At the heart of the issue is Leeds's largest creditor, Astor Investment
Holdings, registered in the British Virgin Islands, which effectively
played a controlling hand during the club's recent administration by
refusing to support any other survival package other than that put
forward by Mr Bates.

As a result of it and another offshore company, Krato, registered in
Nevis in the West Indies, using their block vote, both companies lost
virtually all their combined investment in the club of more than £15m
because the offer to creditors from Mr Bates was just 1p for every pound
they were owed.

The offer was voted through at a creditors meeting earlier this month,
leaving Mr Bates with a potentially profitable club now permanently
divorced from its £35m debt which could be attractive to a would-be buyer.

Astor also blocked attempts to put a clause into the company voluntary
agreement, the mechanism used to re-emerge from administration, which
would stop Mr Bates from reselling the club for a period of five years
or pay a penalty to creditors. Instead, the club could be resold in six
months.

With other bidders for the club offering more money to creditors, the
actions of Astor and Krato were questioned by a significant number of
creditors who specifically queried why Astor and Krato would agree to
give up so much money and whether there was any connection between them
and Mr Bates.

KPMG told creditors it had received a letter from Astor, which had taken
on Krato's debt of over £2m, saying it was not connected to Mr Bates who
in turn, along with his long-term business associate, Mark Taylor, had
provided sworn statements that they were not connected to Astor.

But during the creditors meeting it transpired that Leeds United's last
company accounts included a direct reference to Astor having "an
interest in Forward Sports Fund", the club's owners and the company Mr
Bates represents, as of June 30 last year.

The administrator admitted the link had not been known, but Mr Taylor
told the meeting: "There was an association on June 30 ; there isn't now."

Hundreds of small creditors lost out as a result of the deal the
administrator agreed with Mr Bates but the biggest loser was the taxman,
with £7m lost in unpaid taxes.

Mr Willis's motion calls on HM Revenue and Customs to take action to
recover the debt and questions the role of KPMG, specifically why they
didn't "ascertain the beneficiaries" behind Astor and Krato during their
investigations in the administration period.

All creditors have 28 days from the day the deal was voted through to
challenge the outcome but HM Revenue and Customs have
so far declined to say what action, if any, they will take.

A spokesman for KPMG said: "As far as we are concerned there are no
concerns about money laundering and if we had concerns we would report
them in the normal way."

The MP also raises the similarities in ownership between Chelsea and
Leeds, which both had significant involvement from offshore companies
and, questioning whether they were connected to Mr Bates, calls on the
Financial Services Authority (FSA) to investigate.

The FSA did investigate the ownership of Chelsea after Mr Bates sold the
club to Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich in 2003 but ultimately took
no further action. It found that Mr Bates did not own shares in the
offshore companies but couldn't reach a conclusive view as to whether Mr
Bates had any degree of control over them.

The FSA, SOCA and the SFO all said they could not comment last night
 




Starry

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Oct 10, 2004
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Mr Willis was a Huddersfield fan until he thought he could get 15 minutes of fame.
 


hans kraay fan club

The voice of reason.
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Mar 16, 2005
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Chandlers Ford
I want to see that beardy little **** in the gutter.

Surely if Bates gets away with this, there will be somebody in Leeds angry enough, and mad enough to have a pop at the little shit?
 




Ding Dong !

Boy I'm HOT today !
Jul 26, 2004
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Worthing
Dock them 10 points NOW !!!!

It's an absolute scandal with Leeds. Think they will struggle next season and will finish mid-table.

Mugs !!!
 




Starry

Captain Of The Crew
Oct 10, 2004
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I want to see that beardy little **** in the gutter.

Surely if Bates gets away with this, there will be somebody in Leeds angry enough, and mad enough to have a pop at the little shit?

Simon Morris has a track record for being mean to other chairmen/directors. Maybe he'll break out the padlocks and bricks again.
 








hans kraay fan club

The voice of reason.
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Mar 16, 2005
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Chandlers Ford
maybe not!

There is absolutely no 'maybe' about it. I'm not commenting on the attributes of the rival bids, but the situation with Bates' bid and the offshore trusts is undoubtably fraudulent - its just a case of somebody proving the link.

People, including your good self, are having their money stolen from them. That is the simple fact. In six months time Bates walks away with £Xmillion of YOUR money [and MY money too, as £7m is owed to the taxman].

I find it incredible that the law seems powerless to block what is happening. Reputable companies, do not give away tens of millions of pounds for nothing, so clearly they [Bates, in reality, of course] stand to benefit at some later point. It is crass stupidity to suggest otherwise.

A murder investigation can be launched without there being a body. Why are the insolvency laws any different?
 


Starry

Captain Of The Crew
Oct 10, 2004
6,733
There is absolutely no 'maybe' about it. I'm not commenting on the attributes of the rival bids, but the situation with Bates' bid and the offshore trusts is undoubtably fraudulent - its just a case of somebody proving the link.

People, including your good self, are having their money stolen from them. That is the simple fact. In six months time Bates walks away with £Xmillion of YOUR money [and MY money too, as £7m is owed to the taxman].

I find it incredible that the law seems powerless to block what is happening. Reputable companies, do not give away tens of millions of pounds for nothing, so clearly they [Bates, in reality, of course] stand to benefit at some later point. It is crass stupidity to suggest otherwise.

A murder investigation can be launched without there being a body. Why are the insolvency laws any different?

Oh! I was being vague because we have been advised not to comment to anyone or anywhere until our legal stuff is finished with regards to the appeal and everything. Not because I didn't agree with you.
 


hans kraay fan club

The voice of reason.
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Mar 16, 2005
62,773
Chandlers Ford
Oh! I was being vague because we have been advised not to comment to anyone or anywhere until our legal stuff is finished with regards to the appeal and everything. Not because I didn't agree with you.


Fair enough.:)
 








Easy 10

Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Jul 5, 2003
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And just last week we had THIS little pearler from Bates:

"The Inland Revenue acted extremely unreasonably. Over the last two-and-a-half years Leeds have paid between £15m and £20m to the Revenue, but our cash flow dried up and we asked for a holiday. The Revenue said no and put foward the petition to wind up the club. I'm sorry small creditors have lost money, but that is totally down to the Revenue. We were happy to pay everyone over a period of time. The fault for Leeds United creditors should be place fairly and squarely at the Revenue's door. "

I'm sure most people would like a "holiday" from paying whats owed to the Inland Revenue, but why the hell should the Treasury extend credit to a f***ed up mess of a football club like Leeds ? And as for Bates blaming the Inland Revenue for all the smaller creditors losing their money into that stinking financial quagmire that the LEEDS board created, well words almost fail.

I find I actually despise Leeds even more than Palace now.
 






Bozza

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Jul 4, 2003
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Back in Sussex
Bates, Wise and Leeds is an unholy trinity that is for sure. I feel for people like a friend I was talking to on Saturday who does not understand but does not like what is happenning to his club.

Curiously though, the club could end up in a lot better state post-Bates than before...

Debts are wiped out, the club is more attractive and someone new comes in, is able to invest and Leeds rise like a phoenix from the flames.

Bates walks away with quite a few million quid in his pocket and everyone's a winner right?

(Well, they're all winners if you ignore the poor sods who have lost out during this administration)
 


Pavilionaire

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Jul 7, 2003
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And I'm 99% certain that the £15-£20 million Bates mentioned is PAYE/NI on players wages, which is deductions paid over ON THE PLAYERS BEHALF.

Leeds would have had to pay Employer's Class 1 NI on the players wages, but if they owe £7 million to the Revenue this means they have effectively NOT paid a penny of Employers NI and NOT paid tax and Employees NI on behalf of the players.

Bates is being totally disingenuous with his comments on tax and it STINKS.
 






surrey jim

Not in Surrey
Aug 2, 2005
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Bevendean
And I'm 99% certain that the £15-£20 million Bates mentioned is PAYE/NI on players wages, which is deductions paid over ON THE PLAYERS BEHALF.

Leeds would have had to pay Employer's Class 1 NI on the players wages, but if they owe £7 million to the Revenue this means they have effectively NOT paid a penny of Employers NI and NOT paid tax and Employees NI on behalf of the players.

Bates is being totally disingenuous with his comments on tax and it STINKS.

and to add to the people who have lost out this can now include tax payers all over the country and local services ie. hospitals where the money could have gone far.

but alas its being used to fund Mr Bates holiday plans
 


What about the teams in League One who haven't gone into administration and play within the financial rules?

Are we competing merely to come second to teams like Leeds United, who can throw debts away and buy success at a price that isn't available to the rest of us?
 


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