Leeds. Ahaa. Ha haa. HAAA haaa. Ahaa. *snigger*

[Simster]

If Leeds persue this, I hope some fairly dynamic proper football fan somewhere organises a fighting fund amongst fans across the league, to pay for the court case to have Leeds thrown out of the league as they should have been in the first place.

I for one would happily chip in.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Leeds and their cheating lying corrupt scum sucking red-cross defrauding shit of a chairman should have been thrown out of the league for they way they deliberately flouted the rules in coming out of administration the way they did.

IF they get the points back then the FL should withdraw their share for bringing the game into disrepute.

More importantly, where is my case of cider?

 

[Yorkie]

Fair point.
As the governing body, the FL are in a position to issue punishment as they see fit, and in this case, the 15 point deduction was actually pretty lenient IMHO.

That's what I thought. The FL make the rules so how can Leeds say they've broken their own rules? I'm probably being very simplistic and naive but that is how I see it.

 

[Easy 10]

That's what I thought. The FL make the rules so how can Leeds say they've broken their own rules? I'm probably being very simplistic and naive but that is how I see it.

My guess is that Bates is saying to Mawhinny "point me to the bit in your rulebook that says you can deduct 15 points for a club coming out of administration without an agreed CVA in place". Which Mawhinny will presumably be unable to do, at least not in those specifics. But SURELY the Football League has some kind of "exceptional circumstances" clause which enables them to mete out what they deem an appropriate punishment for flouting the rules ?

 

[beorhthelm]

The FL make the rules so how can Leeds say they've broken their own rules?

i think that Leeds are arguing that there was no specific provision for the punishment given and the FL made up the rules on the fly (though agreed to by the other clubs). they might have a tenuous point. but the alternative should have been to simply expell them, which is in the rules already and had been previously applied. The FL bent the rules to even offer them a chance to continue, which Leeds promptly used to wipe on their arse as they went off buying players with money the previous week they didnt have.

 

[DIFFBROOK]

I always thought of the FL as a members club. If I want to be in that club, I play by its rules. Now if there isn't a rule to govern a certain situation, then the members of that club can determine a new rule. If I dont like it, then its tough.

I cant see how legality comes into it, unless a specific law was broken, say restriction of trade.

I just wish I was on that panel, as I would increase the deductions to 70 points. I really hate Leeds and I work in the city

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Heartily agree with pretty much all of what has been posted on this topic.

Leeds knew they were acting in an underhand manner at the time but obviously knew they were not contravening any specific rule as was laid down at that time (probably because no-one else had been bent enough to try it until Bates came along).

It is a bit bloody rich to attempt to massage the system, accept a lenient punishment compared to the offence and then, when the dust settles, to attempt to overturn even that moderate rebuke. Does that then mean that, if successful, Leeds would in effect have escaped all punishment for their dishonesty?

 

[Easy 10]

Does that then mean that, if successful, Leeds would in effect have escaped all punishment for their dishonesty?

Thats about the size of it.
Yes.

 

[Starry]

What annoys me is that Leeds didn't seem to care about the 15 points deduction until it looked like they weren't going to get automatic promotion and then decided to appeal. That may not be the case but that is how it appears.

wrong.

this has been going on all season, we've met with both legal teams right from the day after the gs was returned.

 

[Easy 10]

Right. Get your grubby hands back on the golden share (that the FL were by no means obliged to give back to you), then the very next day begin your plot to take the FL to court to get your points back as well.

Leeds really are an utterly repulsive club. Arn't you ashamed and embarrassed, Starry ?

 

[Starry]

Seriously which league would you like Leeds to play in Starry?

Do any of your fellow fans share the same views?

i am happy where we are. the championship will within a few years go the same way as the premiership, a select few yo-yo up and down and that'll be it.

i have had more fun and pleasure following leeds since we were relegated. the champions league was wonderful and i have some great memories and some equally horrific ones. but to have that you have to go along with the premiership and the whole thing has no appeal to me anymore.

as for fellow fans, i don't speak for them all but the group i go to football with are of a similar view to myself.

i have no idea how to do multiquote.

beorhthelm
>>As far as i can tell the CVA still hasnt been fulfilled and the revenue still owed, so its all going to blow up again soon.<<

what cva?

easy 10.
>>But SURELY the Football League has some kind of "exceptional circumstances" clause which enables them to mete out what they deem an appropriate punishment for flouting the rules ?<<

you would have thought they would.

 

[Starry]

Right. Get your grubby hands back on the golden share (that the FL were by no means obliged to give back to you), then the very next day begin your plot to take the FL to court to get your points back as well.

Leeds really are an utterly repulsive club. Arn't you ashamed and embarrassed, Starry ?

they were quite within their right to kick us out of the league, it was not in their interests to do so and they gave into bates and his demands, the fl blinked first. yes i am ashamed and embarrassed about lots of things, last summer stung us pretty badly and i was pretty close to walking away from the whole shambles. maybe i still am.

 

[Easy 10]

they were quite within their right to kick us out of the league, it was not in their interests to do so and they gave into bates and his demands, the fl blinked first. yes i am ashamed and embarrassed about lots of things, last summer stung us pretty badly and i was pretty close to walking away from the whole shambles. maybe i still am.

Fair play to you for being so honest and up-front about it then. Shame the rest of that shower can't follow your example.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

If the court do rule against the FL could the FL just turn around and just kick them out of the league?

 

[Bozza]

they were quite within their right to kick us out of the league, it was not in their interests to do so and they gave into bates and his demands, the fl blinked first. yes i am ashamed and embarrassed about lots of things, last summer stung us pretty badly and i was pretty close to walking away from the whole shambles. maybe i still am.

Yet you are involved personally, to some degree, in keeping the whole shambolic thing going? You're not just letting it go and moving on...

 

[Easy 10]

If the court do rule against the FL could the FL just turn around and just kick them out of the league?

The trouble is, on what grounds ?
If the Courts decide (perversely) that the FL were wrong to deduct the 15 points and order them to be reinstated, on what basis can the FL then say "right, we'll kick you out of the League then". They can't just do it cos they disagree with the courts ruling.

 

[Starry]

Yet you are involved personally, to some degree, in keeping the whole shambolic thing going? You're not just letting it go and moving on...

yep. i can't walk away now, too involved.

 

[Yorkie]

The trouble is, on what grounds ?
If the Courts decide (perversely) that the FL were wrong to deduct the 15 points and order them to be reinstated, on what basis can the FL then say "right, we'll kick you out of the League then". They can't just do it cos they disagree with the courts ruling.

It was the alternative punishment? I hope the FL have good lawyers.

 

[Easy 10]

It was the alternative punishment? I hope the FL have good lawyers.

The 15 point deduction was already the "alternative punishment" though - if that ends up getting overturned by the Courts, I can't see how the FL can then arbitrarily replace it with another punishment, cos that would just end up getting overturned for the same reason.

 

[readingstockport]

More importantly, where is my case of cider?

Fret not Piers, I've not forgotten. I need to get down to Brighton though, or for you to get up here. Then the transfer can take place