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Of course you are not angry, he helped Brighton lose so that you can be all jolly now.
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[Albion] Lee Mason
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Clone Graham Potter.
Of course you are not angry, he helped Brighton lose so that you can be all jolly now.
Interesting also that this single incident took over 5 minutes, yet only 4 were added for “stoppages”.
Not paid enough! Dean and Atkinson are reputedly earning £200k a year whilst Mason might only be on £48k, he gets £1.5k per EPL game so if he gets one game a week he's getting over £100k a year.
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Not fit to referee.
jessiejames
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All this business about the second whistle is pointless, we must all agree that there was no infringement, therefore the second whistle was because Mason believes that the goalkeeper was not ready, panicked and tried to get out of it by blowing whistle due to the fact he believes he made a mistake. The second whistle was not allowed.
This is where it gets interesting, under the laws of the game from the FA.
The referee may not change a restart decision on realising that it is incorrect or on the advice of another match official if play has restarted
So maybe VAR advised him to allow the goal, but Mason decided to make his own choice against the laws of the game.
Full clarity on this.
https://www.thefa.com 3rd paragraph on the decisions of the referee section.
JackB247
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There seems to have been a Times article written by Peter Walton criticising the decision to give Lee Mason a game like Bhafc Vs Wba. It's behind a paywall can anyone screen shot or give the jist of what it says please?
albionalex
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jessiejames
Never late in a V8
I said in an earlier post that he was limping.
jessiejames
Never late in a V8
Mark Halsey I thing said the same, Mason had been stood down the last 2 games days. This was his first one back, Halsey said that due to the possibility a relegation 6 pointer, a referee who had been in form should have been given the game.
Times Article by the ever waste of space Walton
The problems with Lewis Dunk’s free kick all began when Lee Mason gave him permission to take it quickly. Dunk was very clever to ask Mason in advance, and very skilful to then place the ball into the unguarded part of the goal.
However, almost as soon as Mason gave Dunk permission to take the free kick, the official realised that West Brom goalkeeper Sam Johnstone was not ready to defend it. In a panic, he blew the whistle again, effectively to overrule his first decision. At first, Mason assumed his second whistle had come after Dunk’s shot had crossed the goalline, and that therefore he was obliged to award the goal.
When the VAR, Simon Hooper, reviewed it, he found the whistle was blown just before the ball had crossed the line, and therefore the goal could not be allowed. So the law was upheld correctly in that sense but Brighton felt a sense of grievance.
It all stemmed from poor practice on Mason’s part, failing to realise until it was too late that Johnstone was out of position. A referee does not have to blow his whistle for a free kick to be taken but Mason was standing close the free kick in a way that would have given West Brom’s goalkeeper and defenders the impression he was waiting for them to take up positions before the kick would be taken.
Mason, 49, has been a very good official over several years but he is in poor form at the moment and was VAR for two very contentious recent incidents in games refereed by Mike Dean.
The problems with Lewis Dunk’s free kick all began when Lee Mason gave him permission to take it quickly. Dunk was very clever to ask Mason in advance, and very skilful to then place the ball into the unguarded part of the goal.
However, almost as soon as Mason gave Dunk permission to take the free kick, the official realised that West Brom goalkeeper Sam Johnstone was not ready to defend it. In a panic, he blew the whistle again, effectively to overrule his first decision. At first, Mason assumed his second whistle had come after Dunk’s shot had crossed the goalline, and that therefore he was obliged to award the goal.
When the VAR, Simon Hooper, reviewed it, he found the whistle was blown just before the ball had crossed the line, and therefore the goal could not be allowed. So the law was upheld correctly in that sense but Brighton felt a sense of grievance.
It all stemmed from poor practice on Mason’s part, failing to realise until it was too late that Johnstone was out of position. A referee does not have to blow his whistle for a free kick to be taken but Mason was standing close the free kick in a way that would have given West Brom’s goalkeeper and defenders the impression he was waiting for them to take up positions before the kick would be taken.
Mason, 49, has been a very good official over several years but he is in poor form at the moment and was VAR for two very contentious recent incidents in games refereed by Mike Dean.
If he has decided to blow whistle for a quick free kick - he has decided - Dunk can't do any more than ask is it OK and get reply of yes
As did ref at Liverpool away last season
Both perfectly good goals
Rest is best summarised by recent views of Wolves manager who has gone up a lot in my estimation lately ...
As did ref at Liverpool away last season
Both perfectly good goals
Rest is best summarised by recent views of Wolves manager who has gone up a lot in my estimation lately ...
JackB247
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Thanks PM - the concept of a ref being out of form is a new one!
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He made mistake of telling Dunk he could take and further mistake by allowing goal to stand. He did blow when realised made a mistake. Fact is it no way should he have been allowed to take kick with keeper on right hand post and would have been just as much of a farce if goal had been allowed. I think he did us enough favours by giving 2 penalties
That isn't correct.
Rodney Thomas
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How many times do you need to be told. Quick free kicks are perfectly legal and nowhere in the rules states the GK needs to be ready. Otherwise, get us back in the FA as we weren't ready!
METALMICKY
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Just wow! So Walton believes that " good practice ' was the issue. So can we conclude that all referees should ensure that all of the defending team are suitably set to defend a set piece? Why would anyone bother to take quick free kicks? They actually wouldn't be quick as the ref would be saying ' yes you can take but only when I'm happy that the defence are ready ". Utter farce!
So the Leicester cup defeat was in fact down to poor practice by the ref? Can we appeal
Garry Nelson's Left Foot
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This is really interesting. The excuse given after the game seemed like a little bit of a bollocks excuse but I assumed it was one of those rules like the one that allowed Man U to get a penalty after the final whistle. This paragraph on the F.A website seems to contradict that and suggest that he had no authority to blow the whistle a second time. I'd love to hear an official explanation to clarify this rule.
The relevant section is here:
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-5---the-referee
nwgull
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I make that wrong on two counts:
The attacking team can take a free kick as soon as they're ready and don't have to wait for the defence to get 11 men behind the ball. Quick free kicks happen all the time when the attacking team want to take advantage of their opponents being out of position.
How were the penalties favours? He just applied the laws correctly.